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Mar 17, 2011 18:27 |  #1

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You're in a Church with your 5D Mark ii and 70-200 F/2,8 IS ii,you're using centre point focus and AI SERVO, F/2.8

The brides walking down the isle and you want to make sure her face is in focus but also her full body in shot and the background blurred.

is it possible? if so how?

End of hypothetical situation.


Now this happened to me, I was just a guest at the wedding, but those settings where what i had, and to achieve what i wanted, the bride got chopped in half, by me focussing on her face with the centre point.

I'm reluctant to use outer points because they just seem to hunt in AI Servo.

Would love some insight on best practice in this situation.

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Mar 17, 2011 18:40 |  #2

You could always shoot very wide and crop. It would be interesting to see what others would say.


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Mar 17, 2011 18:57 |  #3

Red Tie Photography wrote in post #12040389 (external link)
You could always shoot very wide and crop. It would be interesting to see what others would say.

Wow Bryan, Love your portfolio!

really nice stuff there...Brilliant


So, has this situation appeared in any form to you?

what's your best practice in that situation.

many thanks for responding.


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Mar 17, 2011 19:15 |  #4

I use this exact combo and center the focus somewhere on her waist, assuming that I can find a contrasty spot.

While this isn't a church shot, I shot it at f/2.8 with center spot focusing

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However I rarely use the 70-200 for subject moving shots in a church. I like to get a bit closer and use my 35L or 16-35 but I use the same technique

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Mar 17, 2011 19:18 |  #5

*Jayrou wrote in post #12040459 (external link)
Wow Bryan, Love your portfolio!

really nice stuff there...Brilliant


So, has this situation appeared in any form to you?

what's your best practice in that situation.

many thanks for responding.

Thank you very much. I really do appreciate your kind words.

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I use this exact combo and center the focus somewhere on her waist, assuming that I can find a contrasty spot.

I tried this when I photographed a pageant last week, but found even shooting at f4 wasnt getting focus on the face. I switched to one of the upper focus points (one of the far right ones, switched to vertical) and had much better success. I just wanted to make sure to take a lot of photos and refocus to hopefully get one sharp enough.


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Mar 17, 2011 19:38 |  #6

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I use this exact combo and center the focus somewhere on her waist, assuming that I can find a contrasty spot.

While this isn't a church shot, I shot it at f/2.8 with center spot focusing

However I rarely use the 70-200 for subject moving shots in a church. I like to get a bit closer and use my 35L or 16-35 but I use the same technique

Jim fantastic shots, love the first one, its got a '135mm' look to it, beautiful colour to it, great capture.

It seems I'm not alone with this then?... I suppose focal length plays massively into this? and depending on orientation of the middle body to head is a deciding factor?

I mean you have a slim lady, her mid drift is likely to be on the same focal plane as her face, while the larger lady would be slightly harder to get both in focus without using a wider aperture?

Am I thinking to deeply into it?


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Mar 17, 2011 19:42 |  #7

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Thank you very much. I really do appreciate your kind words.

well deserved credit!


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Mar 17, 2011 20:05 |  #8

You are really trying to do a lot here, in a low-light church this could be a challenge without using a flash.


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Mar 17, 2011 20:21 |  #9

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You are really trying to do a lot here, in a low-light church this could be a challenge without using a flash.

I appreciate what you're saying , but If I can get her face in focus, surely the rest should follow?


its just the awkwardness of AI focus, full body and centre point.
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I need AI Servo for movement, I need centre point for accuracy , I just need a bigger viewfinder to fit her in.

Is this where I need a 1D instead of a 5D, are 1D outer focus points more sensitive?

How hard for Canon would it be to make outer points as accurate as the centre point on a 5D?... surely this has to be some sort of software related arthrogram?

When you spend £1500 on a body, you would expect a little more, IQ blows me away at times, but focussing has got to be an issue with it.


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Mar 17, 2011 20:59 |  #10

I'd forget about the 1D, a 5D Mk2 is more than sufficient in this situation. Also on the issue of focus I use one shot mode all day. Walking dow the isle happens fairly fast and that depends on how long the Isle is, but in my experience it can be all over in less than a minute. There's so much more to consider than the shot you're after, simply it might just not happen due to variables out of your control.

This shot below using a fill-flash,iso 500, 2.8, 1/200 sec on a 24-70L One of 17 shots I took in that minute in a fairly well light church.


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Mar 17, 2011 22:46 |  #11

But if you choose center point and focus say on their waist in a low lit place shooting at f2.8 that their faces arent sharp/focused?

I dont use ai servo mode, but just one shot mode and I find out points to be just fine on the 5dm2.


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Mar 17, 2011 23:31 |  #12

Background blurring = wide aperture = I will use the 85L 99% of the time and rarely do full-body shots that show the feet because I don't typically see it as aesthetically pleasing.


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Mar 18, 2011 02:27 |  #13

can"t you just lock focus and recompose?


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Mar 18, 2011 02:44 |  #14

DingAnSich wrote in post #12042362 (external link)
can"t you just lock focus and recompose?

Could be problematic with a moving subject.


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Mar 18, 2011 02:56 |  #15

I think people overplay using the outer points. I shot these at f/1.2 in a gymnasium a couple weeks ago:

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And many more at f/2.8.

When shooting wide open I would not use the center point and refocus.

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