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Sun Sniper The Pro Steel & Bear - differences to the Black Rapid RS-5

 
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Mar 21, 2011 01:10 |  #1

Just though I'd outline the major differences between the Sun Sniper "The Pro" Steel & Bear sling strap to the Black Rapid RS-5 strap.

1) The Sun Sniper mounting mechanism is based on a ball bearing system which allows the camera to rotate easily (which is supposed to stop it from swinging as much). It is easy to remove from the camera but it is not removable from the strap.

It is a much shorter and neater mounting system than the Black Rapid two part system, which means there is less metal hardware dangling around.

In the picture you can see the straps are a similar width but the Sun sniper has a channel with the steel cable inside it. You can see the thin steel cable winding through the center, the cable makes it slightly less pliable than the Black Rapid strap but any thicker cable would prevent the strap from folding.

The Sun Sniper also doesn't have the back bumper clamp the Black Rapid straps do, but I haven't really found this to be a problem as the shoulder pad stays in place and doesn't need to be repositioned by the weight of the camera.

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2) The Sun Sniper has a slight curve in the padding while the RS-5 is straight. Overall the Sun Sniper has the smaller pad but it is a bit more padded and less obtrusive than the wider Black Rapid strap.

The adjustment buckle for Sun Sniper is in the middle of the two velcro flaps which secure the shoulder pad to the strap. It is easy to adjust, but there is no storage in the pad unlike the RS-5

The Sun Sniper shoulder pad material looks tougher than the RS-5's nylon material.

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3) The Sun Sniper pad is definitely more rigid and has a kink built into it, I suspect this is too help center it and keep it on the shoulder. This works very well and the shoulder pad does not move when swinging the camera up to the eye or back down.

The pad is quite thick but I don't tend to notice it as much (from the peripheral vision) as I do with the RS-5 and its mobile phone pocket. When you put stuff in the RS-5 pockets it becomes much thicker and unwieldy from the extra weight.

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4) The Sun Sniper has a built-in suspension link near the shoulder strap, this works quite well and is rigid enough to stop the heavy kit from bouncing. The Black Rapid does not have the suspension feature.

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5) On the back of the Sun Sniper you have a different mesh backing, as you can see from the photo's both straps are very well made. The Sun Sniper packs away easier as it is much smaller.

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On balance I prefer the Sun Sniper due to the more compact shoulder pad dimensions, the smaller mounting mechanism, the steel cable reinforcement and the suspension link.

Both straps do the job very well, but the Sun Sniper has a few extra features.

The significant con with the Sun Sniper "The Pro" Steel & Bear is that it is even more expensive than the Black Rapid range.

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Mar 21, 2011 11:18 |  #2

Nice comparison.

I've had both the rs5 and the sun sniper. I sill have the sun sniper one and sold the rs5. The sun sniper def feels better and much better made.

One thing I really liked was the webbing or the material of the strap itself. The sun sniper is thicker and doesn't get all twisted up like the black rapid. I hate that about my black rapid strap. It was always twisted up. The sun sniper doesn't get like that




  
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Mar 21, 2011 12:16 |  #3

Thanks! Great review and comment.


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Mar 21, 2011 12:27 |  #4

Nice comparison. I myself have RS4 (2 of them) for a while. I just sold one and picked up SunSniper from Bear Image a couple weeks ago. My finding is more or less similar to yours EXCEPT:

1. RS-4 padding is more compact and softer than Sunsniper, it is a lot easier to stow
2. RS-4's length adjustment is actually easier than the Sun's due to I don't need to un-velcro the pad
3. BR's wedding is actually tougher than Sun's, so less likely to twist. But Sun's has wire inside, so added peace of mind.
4. I love Sun's ball bearing mounting, so small and low profile. The only small downside is lack of ability to discounnted quickly. With BR, I can have one strip, multiple mounting pod for multiple camera and lens. With Sun's, I have to undo the screw and mount to another device if necessary
5. Suns suspension works surprisingly well. Feels more comfortable than RS4 which is already miles ahead of any neck strap.

Overall, I think both are good upgrade to the neck strap. I don't know which one I prefer yet.


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Mar 21, 2011 12:30 |  #5

Great review, looks like RS-7 addressed some of the RS-5 "issues", like more compact and rigid pad and built in kink that helps with folding.




  
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Mar 21, 2011 13:07 |  #6

Andrew_WOT wrote in post #12062856 (external link)
Great review, looks like RS-7 addressed some of the RS-5 "issues", like more compact and rigid pad and built in kink that helps with folding.

I think RS4 is the one that solve RS5's problem. RS7 is kind of wired breed to me. The padding on RS7 is very hard, while it may looks smaller, it take up more spaces when stow and less comfortable that RS4/5 type of padding. One thing bug me the most is RS7 has QR on the back, which is a totally unnecessary and dangerous feature.

If you like RS7 kind of padding, go with RS-sport. If you like RS5 kind of padding but want more compact design, go with RS4


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Mar 21, 2011 14:31 |  #7

eelnoraa wrote in post #12063085 (external link)
I think RS4 is the one that solve RS5's problem. RS7 is kind of wired breed to me. The padding on RS7 is very hard, while it may looks smaller, it take up more spaces when stow and less comfortable that RS4/5 type of padding. One thing bug me the most is RS7 has QR on the back, which is a totally unnecessary and dangerous feature.

If you like RS7 kind of padding, go with RS-sport. If you like RS5 kind of padding but want more compact design, go with RS4

RS-Sport padding looks like overkill, it's like a big pillow esp on the back, would hardly fit into any bag (would appreciate if anyone switched from RS-7 to Sport can comment).
Yes, RS-7 padding is harder as outlined in this review
http://www.reddotphoto​.com.sg …-One-quot-quot-Steel-quot (external link)
I totally agree with the criticism on that stupid buckle. BR came up with the "fix" http://www.blackrapid.​com/product/mods/buck/ (external link), I personally use two black zip ties attached like this http://www.digital-photography-school.com …-rs-7-camera-strap-review (external link)
Cable management velcro works as well https://photography-on-the.net …=1008279&highli​ght=velcro




  
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Mar 21, 2011 14:35 |  #8

I have used both the RS-Sport and RS-7...they are very similar but I found that the RS-Sport stays on the shoulder much better. The padding folds up just fine. The pad isn't as big as it looks in pictures. It actually isn't that much larger than the RS-7.

Overall, I kept the RS-Sport.


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Mar 21, 2011 15:12 |  #9

Sdiver2489 wrote in post #12063583 (external link)
I have used both the RS-Sport and RS-7...they are very similar but I found that the RS-Sport stays on the shoulder much better. The padding folds up just fine. The pad isn't as big as it looks in pictures. It actually isn't that much larger than the RS-7.

Overall, I kept the RS-Sport.

If you still have RS-7 around, can you please post side by side picture of both fully unfolded?
Thanks in advance.




  
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Mar 21, 2011 15:19 |  #10

Andrew_WOT wrote in post #12063838 (external link)
If you still have RS-7 around, can you please post side by side picture of both fully unfolded?
Thanks in advance.

I do not have the RS-7 anymore. I can only tell you that the only real difference I noticed in padded area is that the RS-Sport has a sharper "bend" and it has a small square padded area...but it doesn't really extend any farther down the back and the padded area isn't all that large. Its no harder to fold up in my 7 million dollar home than my crumpler industry disgrace.


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Mar 21, 2011 21:13 |  #11

eelnoraa wrote in post #12062844 (external link)
3. BR's wedding is actually tougher than Sun's, so less likely to twist. But Sun's has wire inside, so added peace of mind.

I got an email back from Sun Sniper Germany, the steel cable inside the strap is 1mm in diameter.


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Apr 16, 2011 14:20 |  #12

Thanks for posting the nice pics. I'm debating on whether to get the Pro or the One. Based on your review, you said that the Sun-sniper's shoulder pad doesn't slide out of place when you bring the camera to your eyes. I think that's actually an advertised feature of the Pro. The One, however, does not have the same feature.

But what I'm curious about is the ability to put the camera on a tripod with the strap attached. I don't think you can with either model, but it seems that I can just purchase a plate for the One and attach the carabiner to it. This way, I don't have to remove the strap at all. Any thoughts?


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Apr 16, 2011 14:21 |  #13

lannes wrote in post #12066129 (external link)
I got an email back from Sun Sniper Germany, the steel cable inside the strap is 1mm in diameter.

LOL! Seems like one could easily take a pair of heavy duty scissors and cut it off. Plus, you won't be covered by their insurance.


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Apr 16, 2011 14:33 |  #14

Depends on what kind of steel the cable is made of. I'd say it would be enough of a deterrent that the wearer would quickly realize what was going on and act accordingly.


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Apr 16, 2011 23:49 |  #15

douflag wrote in post #12234681 (external link)
Thanks for posting the nice pics. I'm debating on whether to get the Pro or the One. Based on your review, you said that the Sun-sniper's shoulder pad doesn't slide out of place when you bring the camera to your eyes. I think that's actually an advertised feature of the Pro. The One, however, does not have the same feature.

I think you'll find the design of the straps are identical except for the steel cable insert on the Pro, I was thinking the lack of movement might also be due to the weight of the cable which may keep the strap in place more.

douflag wrote in post #12234681 (external link)
But what I'm curious about is the ability to put the camera on a tripod with the strap attached. I don't think you can with either model, but it seems that I can just purchase a plate for the One and attach the carabiner to it. This way, I don't have to remove the strap at all. Any thoughts?

There are a couple of ways to get around this issue with the Bear mounting point.

Firstly if your lens has a tripod ring , then you could connect the Bear either to the tripod ring or to the base of the camera, this would then leave one mounting point for the tripod quick release plate.

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or

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Second you could connect the Bear to a quick release clamp, and then place you QR plate on any tripod mounting point. This is a bulkier solution, but it does give fast access to the tripod QR plate.

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