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Mar 23, 2011 11:59 |  #1

is this the correct way
crop/resize/edit,sharp​en/save.?


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Mar 23, 2011 12:04 |  #2

What do you mean by edit? If you mean significant changes to the image, then that should be done to the full res image, then the steps in the order you suggest.




  
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Mar 23, 2011 12:14 |  #3

I crop/edit/resize/sharp​en/save.


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Mar 23, 2011 12:16 |  #4

edit.?
like exposure corrections, levels and so on
so this should be done with full image then crop then resize then sharpen.?


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Mar 23, 2011 12:17 |  #5

Stargazerfrank wrote in post #12076878 (external link)
I crop/edit/resize/sharp​en/save.

I do this but with some capture sharpening to this at the begining.

EDIT

Reread Bruce Fraser's sharpening info. I'll be doing capture sharpening after editing.


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Mar 23, 2011 12:18 |  #6

Stargazerfrank wrote in post #12076878 (external link)
I crop/edit/resize/sharp​en/save.

this sounds good
Thanks for the info.........I guessing everyone has different ways , depending on the app there using


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Mar 23, 2011 12:21 |  #7

bckane wrote in post #12076885 (external link)
edit.?
like exposure corrections, levels and so on
so this should be done with full image then crop then resize then sharpen.?

Yes, because that leaves you with a full res image, with edits intact, for later use. For instance if you followed your initial path and resized before editing, and then you wanted to post here, and print, and then perhaps use in some fashion requiring a smaller size (smart phone background). You would have to edit it for each shot. If you edit first, then crop, resize, etc. then you can save the full size file and make your various resizes from a common (edited) starting point.




  
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Mar 23, 2011 12:30 |  #8

gonzogolf wrote in post #12076919 (external link)
Yes, because that leaves you with a full res image, with edits intact, for later use. For instance if you followed your initial path and resized before editing, and then you wanted to post here, and print, and then perhaps use in some fashion requiring a smaller size (smart phone background). You would have to edit it for each shot. If you edit first, then crop, resize, etc. then you can save the full size file and make your various resizes from a common (edited) starting point.

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Mar 23, 2011 13:30 |  #9

Cropping is something that can take different approaches.

In this forum we see a lot of questions about printing, for example, and in preparing to print at a particular print size you need to, among other things, crop to the aspect ratio of the paper/print size. This would be among the last things you do (just prior to, say, resizing).

Another common use of cropping for me is a minor crop for either tightening the composition or giving what is to me a pleasing aspect ratio. Say, instead of a 2:3 aspect ratio I like the image cropped to an 8x10 or a 4:3 aspect ratio.

Well, I don't want to throw away the original, but I do such stuff in my Raw converter so I can have both versions. But in Photoshop, that would probably also be about the last thing I do after saving a tiff with all important edits with the original aspect ratio.

The one type of cropping that I would maybe do early on is with those shots that for one reason or another are just "lost in the frame" -- such as wildlife shots that were just too distant to get a proper framing of and are meaningless without cropping. Outdoor shots can be like that where you need to crop just to get a meaningful image. In that case I would consider cropping as part of the "capture", in a sense:), and a thing to consider is that any editing you do would be more meaningful to the cropped image rather than to the big bloated one. Of course, less cropping is better, but in this case it's the final image that determines how you want colors, tones, sharpening, etc. to come out.


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Mar 23, 2011 16:50 |  #10

Crop/Straighten
Edit
Noise Reduction (if needed)
Resize
Sharpen


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Mar 23, 2011 18:56 |  #11

bckane wrote in post #12076780 (external link)
is this the correct way
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It depends on the image.


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Mar 24, 2011 10:26 |  #12

This is good info, just curious on why you would sharpen at the end of the process? I usually sharpen during the edit process. I am glad I have learned something thank you all.


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Mar 24, 2011 10:28 |  #13

trouthunter wrote in post #12083164 (external link)
This is good info, just curious on why you would sharpen at the end of the process? I usually sharpen during the edit process. I am glad I have learned something thank you all.

When you resize an image compression can take its toll so you may want to sharpen again after resizing.




  
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Mar 24, 2011 10:41 |  #14

trouthunter wrote in post #12083164 (external link)
This is good info, just curious on why you would sharpen at the end of the process? I usually sharpen during the edit process. I am glad I have learned something thank you all.

gonzogolf wrote in post #12083175 (external link)
When you resize an image compression can take its toll so you may want to sharpen again after resizing.

In addition, any people sharpen when they are preparing a photo to print after resizing it to the proper print size.

All this describles a process called "output sharpening", which is different from what you normally do as part of your "base processing" of an image, including "input sharpening". How important it is depends on the individual image and your "final destination". And, apps like Lightroom (and now Adobe Camera Raw) include "output sharpening" as part of their printing and exporting process (for the Web, email, etc) so that they can prepare an image size and apply some sharpening accordingly, according to settings you put into place.


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Mar 24, 2011 11:26 |  #15

seems Im getting the hang of this now...its all coming together
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