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My DIY beauty dish

 
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Mar 23, 2011 22:22 |  #1

First off, huge thanks to Jan Christian for this DIY which got me started. Other thanks to PacAce for the compilation of DIY links, and all the other POTN users who have posted their DIY beauty dishes.

Like Jan's DIY, this DIY assumes you have some light fabrication skill.

My parts list:
IKEA wok "PYRA (external link)". $4.99, not too heavy, very sturdy.
Pilot 4x5.5" automotive blind spot mirror. $2.99 at Autozone.
Bucket lid. (was going to use the bucket in the photo, decided to use the lid instead). Free.
Aluminum bar stock. $7 at Lowe's.
(4) Threaded rods, #8-32 x 3"
(3) Machine screws, #8-32 x 1/2" OR carriage bolts (in retrospect, use carriage bolts)
Machine screw, #8-32 x 2"
Thumbscrew, 1/4-20 x 1/2"
E-clip, 1/4"
Washers and nuts, #8-32 and 1/4"
Double-sided foam tape
Spray primer, matte black spray paint, satin white spray paint.
Bits of scrap leather (not shown yet)
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Including the paint, my total cost was about $25.

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Drill out the rivets holding the handles to the wok. This was arguably the most frustrating part; they are very soft aluminum and are not brittle enough to break, they just get mushy if you try to snap them off.

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Find the center point of the wok, either by measurement or by balance. Mark center with a punch. It's probably safe to assume that the label is stamped the same on all copies of this wok, so use the center point that I marked, right underneath the "E" and slightly left of the center of the "E".

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Scribe a line from the two bottom handle holes up through the center point; this will be vertical once everything is assembled. Scribe a circle with approximately 2.5" radius, then scribe horizontal lines approximately 2.2" above and below the center point; the intersection of these lines will be the holes for your reflector supports. (use the mirror as a reference to make sure the holes are in the right place; the mirror should not cover the holes.) Measure and scribe a cutout that is slightly larger than your Speedlite head.

(in this photo, ignore the larger circle)
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In your reflector backing material (bucket lid), scribe a circle with approximately 2.8" radius. Use a scissor or razor to cut out the circle. If you scribe deep enough into the plastic, the scribed line will guide your razor knife for a nice clean circle. I used a Sharpie to help me see the scribed line; the Sharpie comes off with alcohol.

Feline assistant is optional and perhaps not recommended.
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Scribe a 2.5" radius circle on your disc. Mark locations for four drilled holes that match the markings on the wok.
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Use a Dremel cut-off wheel to cut out the light hole. Use 11/64 drill bit to drill four holes for the reflector supports, a hole for the Speedlite support standoff screw, and an additional hole for the bracket - note that two mounting holes are already there from the original wooden handle. Sand thoroughly inside and out.

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Fabricate bracket/arm out of aluminum bar. I did the bending by hand with the bar in a vise, and cut it with a shear, though you could easily cut with a hacksaw. Drill three 11/64 mounting holes that match the holes in the bowl.

Temporarily mount the bracket to the bowl, and decide the appropriate location for the Speedlite mounting screw. I chose to mount the Speedlite using its included plastic stand/foot; you may opt to purchase a clamping cold-shoe - up to you. Drill a 1/4" hole for this mounting screw.

Use a tap-and-die set to make a 1/4-20 threaded hole to mount to your tripod shoe or light stand. There are plenty of other options here if you don't have a tap-and-die set.

Grind some threads out of the middle of the thumbscrew so that the E-clip can secure it into the drilled hole. (this was inspired by the Manfrotto tripod shoe)

Shown with my Vivitar tripod shoe attached to the threaded hole I tapped out.
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Mar 23, 2011 22:23 |  #2

Ready to paint and assemble:

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Sand and use primer before you paint, especially on the wok which seems to have a non-stick coating. Without primer, the white chipped off the bowl at the slightest touch, so I had to scrape it all off, sand down, and start over.

Use the foam tape to secure the mirror to the reflector support. Cut off any excess foam tape so it's not visible from the front.
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Fully assembled and painted. I have not locked down the reflector yet, I'm not certain that it's the right distance from the light. I used 1.75" as recommended by Jan but I may need something different for this bowl shape and size. Still, the reflector is VERY snug so I may not even lock it into place with additional nuts.

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Fired at -2(ish) stops:
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A quick self-portrait. Pardon the 10-o'clock shadow and the mussed hair.
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TO DO:
Take more photos with it over the weekend.
Trim up the Speedlite cutout with some leather scraps so it does not scuff the plastic casing of the Speedlite.
Replace the machine screws that mount the bowl to the bracket with smooth-top carriage bolts for a cleaner finish; the bolts and nuts re unsightly and probably aren't great for the light pattern.
Test the light pattern and see if it would work better with different mirror placement
Experiment with a round mirror instead of oval - right now the catchlight/reflection is a bit oblong and reminds me of the Eye of Sauron.
Make a grip/handle that will thread into the 1/4-20 mounting hole.

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Mar 23, 2011 22:49 |  #3

That cat freaked me out. Are its nails naturally black?

How heavy is the wok? Never considered that for a beauty dish. Build looks solid though. Got any ideas for a homemade diffuser sock?


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Mar 23, 2011 23:03 |  #4

The black nails are Soft Paws (external link) - vinyl nail caps that are glued over the sharp nails. Painless alternative to de-clawing. They have to be refreshed every now and then, but this first set has lasted over two weeks without them coming off. If you do a good job gluing them on, they last a long time.

Without the Speedlite it's 2 lbs 12 oz; with the Speedlite it's 3 lbs 14 oz. Heavier than thin aluminum or plastic, not as heavy as a big stainless mixing bowl.

My wife sews so I'll have her make me a sock. Guess this means I have to go to Jo-Ann. grumble.


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Mar 23, 2011 23:54 |  #5

haha, cool cat! whats its name?


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Mar 24, 2011 16:09 |  #6

Her registered name is "Venus" but I often call her something else ;)

There are a few more photos of her on my photostream, but I can't link to them from work right now. She's very friendly and sweet and playful, but never looks like it in the photos.


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Mar 24, 2011 16:21 |  #7

Thanks for this DIY - we have one of those woks in the kitchen and I have wondered if it could work for a BD - now I know! Ours is geting pretty scuffed and messed up inside - but that won't matter if you sand and paint it white, right.

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Mar 24, 2011 16:30 |  #8

went from DIY to cat talk, i love it. any pictures of how well the light spread is? (besides self portrait)


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Mar 24, 2011 17:54 |  #9

PLease more photos!


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Mar 24, 2011 18:05 |  #10

Very interesting and creative. Would've never thought to use a wok as a bd haha


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Mar 24, 2011 20:20 |  #11

is it safe to sand / drill non-stick materials?


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Mar 24, 2011 21:22 |  #12


I can't help but see this as a 'before' picture... :lol:



  
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Mar 24, 2011 23:35 |  #13

Thank you!
Pan from Ikea $8, making your own beauty dish, priceless




  
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Mar 24, 2011 23:42 |  #14

trueimage wrote in post #12086830 (external link)
is it safe to sand / drill non-stick materials?

Yes... But a cheap dust mask would probably be a good idea while sanding to keep from inhaling any teflon dust.


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Mar 24, 2011 23:49 |  #15

Brendo666 wrote in post #12085525 (external link)
went from DIY to cat talk, i love it. any pictures of how well the light spread is? (besides self portrait)

See below.

Note to folks who say the light spread is terrible and unprofessional and not at all what a beauty dish should be: I don't find the results to be noticeably different from the wide range of light spreads produced by the professionally manufactured dishes shown in this thread right here. My center hotspot is a little hotter than I like, but I think I can improve that by experimenting with the distance between the flash and the reflector, and the distance between the reflector and the bowl.

It also exhibits the "double shadow" seen in many of the photos in the aforementioned thread (e.g. Kasey dish), but it does not have the extremely noticeable concentric rings cast by the stepped dishes (e.g. Mola).

Note that I'm still quite the novice strobist and can't always pinpoint what makes some light "good" and some light not as good.

trueimage wrote in post #12086830 (external link)
is it safe to sand / drill non-stick materials?

Dunno. I haven't died yet? I don't think it's a true Teflon non-stick coating; I think it was just a hard, slippery paint.


18" from white seamless, ETTL -1 stop.

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36" from white seamless, ETTL 0 stop.
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48" from white seamless, ETTL +1 stop.
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48" from white seamless, ETTL +3 stops.
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I don't have a larger white wall than my 5' wide white seamless, sorry :/

The double shadow on some cymbal stands:
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I'll try to come up with some more portraits over the weekend.

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