I always assumed (stoopid!!) that Firefox's rendering intent was Relative Colorimetric. But I've just read that it is Perceptual.
Has anybody played, and does it make much difference?
Damo77 Goldmember 4,699 posts Likes: 115 Joined Apr 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia More info | Mar 24, 2011 22:08 | #1 |
RenéDamkot Cream of the Crop 39,856 posts Likes: 8 Joined Feb 2005 Location: enschede, netherlands More info | Mar 25, 2011 08:42 | #2 I've had an email conversation with the author of LittleCMS about rendering intents once: > > Came across a thing that slightly surprised me when I had a look at Mogrify ( http://timothyarmes.com/lr2mogrify.php?sec=quickguide > It has the option to set a rendering intent. > Since, as far as I know, the only available rendering intent when converting between matrix profiles (most RGB working spaces) is relative colorimetric, I did some digging. Hi Rene. Please note that you can't obtain relative colorimetric with matrix shaper v2 profiles because they lack an offset, so you will obtain XYZ=(0,0,0) for RGB=(0,0,0) Obviously this is not true since no device can render an L* of zero. I think matrix-shaper should be avoided today, since we have more powerful and accurate ways to store the information. Unfortunately, many vendors still are using this method to build the profiles. > > Couldn't find any info on the littleCMS website, so googled a bit, and found this: http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Colors.html > > "INTENT_PERCEPTUAL: > > In lcms: Default intent of profiles is used. > > INTENT_RELATIVE_COLORIMETRIC: > > In lcms: If adequate table is present in profile, then, it is used. Else reverts to perceptual intent." > That means, if BToA1 LUT table is found, then it is used. Else it reverts to BToA0 table, which is perceptual. Matrix shaper is used only if everything else fails, as this model only works well on syntetic spaces and certain CRT monitors. ICC is spec is very explicit about precedence. > Sounds to me like it should be exactly the other way around, right? Unless a table based profile is used, perceptual is impossible. > http://www.colorwiki.com …agement_Myths_21-25#Myth_ Humm... that may be true for old v2 profiles, but today's V4 certainly allow that. Latest ICC addendums have addressed this issue. Please see those papers coming from ICC: http://www.color.org …es_with_camera_images.pdf http://www.color.org …l_rendering_use_cases.pdf > At least, that's how it works in Photoshop. CS4 fully supports V4 standard. Even more, it supports MPE which is the ICC proposed solution for digital cameras. But I realize it is hard to locate such profiles. > > Also: > > "INTENT_ABSOLUTE_COLORIMETRIC: > > Outside the gamut; hue and lightness are maintained, saturation is sacrificed." > > Is this always the case? I though that this; http:// www.brucelindbloom.com/index.html?MunsellCalcHelp.html#BluePurple > > Maybe I'm missing something here? Well, the behaviour for out of gamut is not defined by ICC. So, not the case as each vendor may choose its own gamut mapping strategy. Also, V4 has changed the meaning of absolute colorimetric. I agree this is highly confusing. Best regards Marti "I think the idea of art kills creativity" - Douglas Adams
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