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When to clip highlights/shadows, When not to?

 
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Mar 26, 2011 12:11 |  #1

I see that some photographers, most of the time Street-photographers, intentionally pump of contrast so much that highlights n shadows are clipped. I understand that they want the audience to pay attention to the shapes, lines, composition and story but NOT small details like texture of e wall, background and etc. IMHO, it works very well and I like it.

There are times when i increase contrast so much for e same purpose I mentioned above but they don't appeal to many viewers.

I'm confused. So in what kind of photos do we do pump up contrast.




  
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Mar 26, 2011 13:22 |  #2

It is a matter of taste, and individual interpretation on the part of the 'artist', the photographer's own interpretation of what looks right...there might be many definitions of 'right' from the same person!


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Mar 26, 2011 14:05 |  #3

If you posted some examples it might help to see exactly the kind of photo you are liking.

Sometimes, especially for street photography, it is unavoidable to clip when the scene itself is high contrast, for example strong sunlight raking across a partially shaded scene.


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Mar 26, 2011 14:10 |  #4

Wilt wrote in post #12097346 (external link)
It is a matter of taste, and individual interpretation on the part of the 'artist', the photographer's own interpretation of what looks right...there might be many definitions of 'right' from the same person!

Absolutely, it's your image, your art, and only you can know how you want it to look. There are many artists out there whose work only appeals to a limited number of viewers. Many modern artists, such as Tracy Emin and Damien Hirst, produce art works that don't appeal to a wide audience but are very successful in the smaller group that does see something in it.

You don't have to appeal to everybody, indeed trying to produce something that has mass appeal (for the sake of it) takes away the artistic and creative side of your work. Shoot what you want and process it how you like it, don't worry about those who don't like your style.

There are no rights and wrongs about when to clip highlights and shadows during processing, it's an artistic decision. As the artist, that means that you get to decide, not us.




  
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Mar 26, 2011 18:01 |  #5

I would think it's better to err on the side of minimal clipping when possible, unless for artistic effect.


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Mar 27, 2011 02:16 as a reply to  @ Chippy569's post |  #6

Hope u guys can enlighten me

1st thing 1st, this is an experiemental photo. composition is bad i know.

I actually posted this image 1st in our gallery and i recevied comments that its too heavily clipped. True tt its heavily clipped as i wanted to draw all the attention to the flowing water rather than the details on the rocks.

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A quick google
http://www.google.com.​sg …=N&tab=wi&biw=9​42&bih=918 (external link)
reveals many low-key BnW are like that.

here is what most prefered as less clipping means 'good quality'
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Mar 27, 2011 04:24 |  #7

Clipping and high contrast are not synonymous. There are countless ways to raise contrast while preserving the black and white points; an S-curve is the most basic and using "blend if..." limiters is another.

It might be interesting to note that after Ansel Adams became successful and started selling a lot of prints he realized that he could sell even more if he accommodated popular taste and in his latter years he printed much more contrasty (although, of course, he never clipped).


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Mar 27, 2011 09:10 |  #8

Ok, thanks for posting the example.

Often it is possible to darken tones to de-emphasizing them without clipping them. At the same time one can keep tones bright in the highlights. When well done, the photo has a rich range of clear tones and doesn't look murky and overly gloomy.


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Mar 27, 2011 10:21 |  #9

With your permission, I tried some edits to illustrate the technique. I can remove them all if you request. I used the lighter image as the start.

1: The original image

IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/billb6/Photo%20sites%202011/potn-lc-20110327-orig-light.jpg

2: The image curved to lower contrast and depress the highlights on the rocks.
IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/billb6/Photo%20sites%202011/potn-lc-20110327-curve2.jpg

3: The mask painted to restore the tones of the flowing water so more attention is drawn to it. The mask is painted directly on the image while observing the effect. This mask can only be shown by selecting the channels and doing a screen capture, but it would not ordinarily be seen, especially while working with it.
IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/billb6/Photo%20sites%202011/potn-lc-20110327-mask.jpg

4: The masked image showing the restored highlights in the water with the tones on the rocks depressed.
IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/billb6/Photo%20sites%202011/potn-lc-20110327-masked2.jpg

5: A possible additional curving to brighten the water highlights a bit more. Not sure if I prefer this or pic #4.
IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/billb6/Photo%20sites%202011/potn-lc-20110327-curve1.jpg

Compare: Here are all three versions together.
IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/billb6/Photo%20sites%202011/potn-lc-20110327-compare.jpg

Just a quick go-round. Careful work on the full-size original would yield more subtle more powerful results.

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Mar 28, 2011 18:50 |  #10

Very good work Monito... I prefer pic #4

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Mar 29, 2011 09:23 as a reply to  @ ADAPTE's post |  #11

awesome work Monito

ill sure try when im free! thanks:)




  
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Mar 29, 2011 10:42 |  #12

learncanon wrote in post #12115838 (external link)
awesome work Monito ill sure try when im free! thanks:)

Thanks. Makes me feel it was worthwhile doing it to show you. Good luck with it.


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Apr 03, 2011 09:49 as a reply to  @ Monito's post |  #13

Shooting with a polarizer would be the easiest way to knock down the glare and highlights on the rocks and save some PP time. If I had to guess by looking at the original, I'd say that a polarizer was not used (and they're usually mandatory for situations such as this)...


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