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Mar 27, 2011 11:42 |  #1

I was using my printer to print out images for my assignment for school, and a good majority of them came out either too dark, the colors were somewhat muted, or both. How would I fix something like this so that my printer matches what my monitor shows? I have heard of calibration software out there for monitors, and I have tried them for my system, but it turned out screwing with the video card entirely and I had to reset the system almost entirely to get it back to normal.


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Mar 27, 2011 11:43 |  #2

Likely, your screen is too bright.


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Mar 27, 2011 11:48 |  #3

It really isn't though, matching the print to the picture on the camera's screen, it's still significantly darker. Same with my other monitor in which i cannot change the brightness.


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Mar 27, 2011 11:53 |  #4

It is too bright or the printing process (profiles/color management) is screwed up or not being used properly.

There are no other reasons.

Prints will always be more muted since you are looking at them with reflective light as opposed to transmitted light on a screen. Also paper has less contrast than a calibrated screen and usually far less than a non calibrated screen.


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Mar 27, 2011 11:55 |  #5

Ok well how would I go about fixing it then? I have to be able to see my screen.


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Mar 27, 2011 11:55 |  #6

mknabster wrote in post #12102527 (external link)
Same with my other monitor in which i cannot change the brightness.

Why not? What model monitor and what OS are you using?


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Mar 27, 2011 11:56 |  #7

mknabster wrote in post #12102527 (external link)
It really isn't though, matching the print to the picture on the camera's screen, it's still significantly darker. Same with my other monitor in which i cannot change the brightness.

The camera screen is 100% useless for judging exposure. It's only good for displaying the histogram. ;)

Post an image maybe? (with embedded profile)


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Mar 27, 2011 11:58 |  #8

Missed the part about viewing on the camera LCD. That is useless other than checking composition, blowouts to some extent (blinkies), and the histogram. Or if you completely missed focus.


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Mar 27, 2011 12:04 |  #9

I have an early 2008 MacBook Pro with a Dell 1702FP running on OSX 10.6.7, and the printer is a Canon MP530. Now I can adjust the brightness of the Dell, but it's so insignificant to the options I have on the Mac, I just don't bother playing with it . Here's an example:

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Now on both my screens, the colors are saturated and the image is as bright as it should be. Now when it printed out, the colors were fixed to make it look more natural and it was slightly darker as well. Now I know i turned off the color correction on the printer a long time ago.

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Mar 27, 2011 12:13 |  #10

mknabster wrote in post #12102505 (external link)
I have heard of calibration software out there for monitors, and I have tried them for my system, but it turned out screwing with the video card entirely and I had to reset the system almost entirely to get it back to normal.

I guess someone needs to say it... You absolutely need to hardware calibrate your monitor. No software-only "calibration" will do the job.

I used to use the 19" version of your Dell monitor and it calibrated beautifully. I was easily able to set the Brightness low enough to get a good match between the screen and prints.


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Mar 27, 2011 12:13 |  #11

The image has AdobeRGB embedded. That might cause trouble, depending on printer / settings used.
You say "i turned off the color correction on the printer". So I'm hoping you let the software manage colors?
What exact settings did you use to print? What software, what paper & what profile?

For my taste, the image has a warm cast, and is a bit dark on the left side (the left eye & cheek should just be visible in print)


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Mar 27, 2011 12:18 |  #12

Yes Rene, that's exactly how the image should be. My school says we have to use Adobe RGB, could that be the issue instead of sRGB? I was using Photoshop to print, had glossy plus Canon paper, I just had PS set to manage colors in the printing dialog. ChasP505, the calibration that I used was EyeOne Color, with the sensor that goes over the monitor, that's what had given me issues.


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Mar 27, 2011 12:23 |  #13

mknabster wrote in post #12102672 (external link)
ChasP505, the calibration that I used was EyeOne Color, with the sensor that goes over the monitor, that's what had given me issues.

Let's get your color managed print workflow straightened out first... Listen to Rene.


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Mar 27, 2011 12:24 |  #14

Alright will do, thank you


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Mar 27, 2011 12:43 |  #15

Using PS, the print dialog should be set like this:
(Using the profile for Canon printer / Canon glossy instead of the Epson profile in the screenshot obviously)

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Color management off in the printer driver (Depending on version OSX / PS, OSX should do that all by itself, without an option to alter it)

What version OSX and what version PS? Updated the printer driver lately?
There are some bugs using CS5 and Snow leopard AFAIK.

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