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Bad sensors on 60D - anyone else having this problem?

 
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Mar 29, 2011 12:56 |  #1

Are spots on the sensors of the 60D normal? I'm talking like stuck pixels - either red, or blue, or white (or I suppose green would be an option). If you take a picture with the lens cap on you can see them on the resulting image, and they show up on every picture the camera takes, regardless of ISO/shutter speeds, however longer exposures/higher ISO make the spot brighter. I'm now on my 4th camera and every one of them has had these spots. They aren't normal noise, it's a single point, usually a cluster of about 9 pixels, in different places and colors on every one I have tried so far. I'm wondering if I just have the worst luck in the world, if I am being too picky, or if it's just a normal defect on larger sensor cameras and you just have to fix it in post. And yes they show up on the final image - it's not a stuck pixel in the display LCD.


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Mar 29, 2011 12:59 |  #2

i haven't had a problem with mine, nor have i heard of this being an issue. can you post some shots?



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Mar 29, 2011 13:24 |  #3

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Mar 29, 2011 13:36 |  #4

Here is the URL:
http://slckoman.photos​hop.com/ (external link)

The "test shots" is the only gallery and if you click on the pics there is an option to download the full res original. On 5595 the error is at pixel location X:3953 and Y:2713. I returned that one and the new one has the same red spot on both of the remaining pics - 5605 and 5610 at location X:2508 and Y:2563. You will have to zoom in from the default "fit to window" to see the spot in most of the pics. These spots appeared in every shot taken, even at different ISO and better lighting conditions. These shots were taken to make the spot obvious.


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Mar 29, 2011 13:45 |  #5

Wow that is weird....never seen anything like it before.....


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Mar 29, 2011 13:54 |  #6

I don't have those on mine..


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Mar 29, 2011 16:27 as a reply to  @ Vixen89's post |  #7

The only one you have that doesn't look normal is that cluster of red.

All the others look normal for digital sensors.

Try turning your 60D into manual cleaning mode. Let it sit for a few minutes. Turn it back on. There's a small chance that will clean it up a bit.

Also look into creating a stuck pixel cancellation shot. (search about it)

My 60D has single pixels stuck on it too and in normal shooting I never once had to remove them. I freaked out when I first got the camera and obsessed over pixel peeping.

After 7000+ shots, I have not had to remove hot pixels. They don't show up in any noticeable way for me.




  
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Mar 29, 2011 17:01 |  #8

Are you getting this by doing long exposures? If that's the case the green red and blue pixels are called hot pixels and can be cleaned up in software but you should only see them if you are doing long exposure or using very high ISO.




  
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Mar 29, 2011 17:47 |  #9

That red blotch shows up even on ISO 100 with 1/60 shutter time....that doesn't seem normal..


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Mar 29, 2011 20:07 |  #10

Keyan wrote in post #12119573 (external link)
That red blotch shows up even on ISO 100 with 1/60 shutter time....that doesn't seem normal..

Try dong the "manual cleaning trick" and get back to us... :)




  
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Mar 29, 2011 20:12 |  #11

1.Remove lens, and place body cap on camera.
2.Select "Clean manually".
3.Leave it in this mode for 30-60 seconds.
4.Shut the camera off directly without doing anything else.

If that doesn't fix it then sorry.




  
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Mar 29, 2011 21:14 |  #12

Looking at the photos you linked to I am guessing (correct me if I'm wrong) that you shot these as Small JPG files. If that is the case it may not be an issue with your sensor at all but rather in the conversion process from RAW to a small JPG file (compression). It might be worth doing another side by side at different resolutions using both RAW and JPG, not just small JPG. The blotchiness you are seeing is not unheard of in JPG files. You also want to see if you get any similar results in real photos, not just shots of walls and solid colors. You didn't buy your camera to take photos of walls and solid colors did you? Can you reproduce this with a real image?

Start by making sure your sensor is clean. If in doubt take it to reputable camera shop and ask them to clean it and check the sensor, explain your concerns. The cleaning will cost a few bucks but you'll know it was done right and know that was not the problem.

Also, be aware of the dangers of pixel peeping, a mental illness afflicting many technically oriented, mostly male, photographers. When we start to think that finding out how good our camera is, is more important than learning to shoot real photographs, we cross the line from art and skill to obsessive compulsive behavior.

Starring at unrealistic photos can show things you would never otherwise see. Your camera is not designed to shoot blank walls. If this shows up in real photos then I'd be concerned, otherwise I'm inclined to say it is an artifact of the JPG conversion process, your unrealistic subject matter and bit of obsession.

If you can produce this in a real photo, show it to us. If we can see it there, there may be a real problem. Otherwise, go out and have some fun and stop shooting blank walls. Just a suggestion.




  
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Mar 29, 2011 22:59 |  #13

They are full sized jpg files and the red spot appears in both those files and the raw version when I have the camera record both versions - if you click on the pics I linked and then look at the page for the photo there is a download button that will let you grab the full sized original. The red spot appears in "real" photos as well - all of them I have at the moment are of my wife and kid and yes I am a little paranoid about posting those pics publicly. But for example I took a shot at ISO 100 with 1/60 shutter of her in a black shirt and the spot is there and substantial enough that you can see it fully zoomed out on my computer monitor. As far as your other comment....yeah that pretty much describes me and tech stuff, when you work in IT you tend to be even more picky about it, to the point of being unrealistic. I think I will try one more time to exchange the camera as it seems that the error is rather abnormal with this one and barring some significant flaw with the next one just letting it be if there is one small trouble spot.


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Mar 30, 2011 08:53 |  #14

If it is showing up on more normal type photos there may be an issue with the electronics or sensor. But again, start by making sure your sensor is really clean, take it to a pro. When you change lenses make sure your camera is switched OFF. The sensor is charged so it's like a dust magnet, any time the camera body is open and ON you can see dust being sucked into it.

After cleaning if the problem doesn't go away send it in to Canon with a description of the problem and a print photo so they can see it. Your camera should be under warranty.




  
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Mar 30, 2011 12:31 |  #15

macroshooter1970 wrote in post #12120446 (external link)
1.Remove lens, and place body cap on camera.
2.Select "Clean manually".
3.Leave it in this mode for 30-60 seconds.
4.Shut the camera off directly without doing anything else.

If that doesn't fix it then sorry.

I don't think he wants to try fixing his camera. :(




  
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