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Sell Me A Canon Super Zoom Camera please?

 
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Mar 30, 2011 02:51 |  #1

Hi folks,

Just bought myself a Canon S95 and now I want to get myself a super-zoom for the rest of my photography to give me those extra options.
I did have a Canon S5 IS which I liked a lot and took some superb images but i'm sure technology has moved on a lot since then so looking for recommendations and maybe also see some of your best with your recommended camera so I can see what it can do in the hands of a knowledgable user.

I apprciate that some cameras may be discontinued but if they are "the one" then i'm sure i'll track one down somewhere.

I look forward to your advice & input.

Kind regards.

Ian


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Mar 30, 2011 12:01 |  #2

I absolutely loved my SX110 IS.

The 120 has a bogus sensor (in my opinion), but the SX130 IS is a great camera, with a 12x zoom and a return to the sensor that made the 110 so good.

It's a little bulkier than some, but can easily fit in the pocket of slacks (but not jeans).


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Apr 01, 2011 19:32 |  #3

If you can find one, the SX10IS. See this thread: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1019955

I have the SX20IS and other than the longer zoom, I really can't tell much difference in IQ, if any, between that and my S3IS. I'm guessing that the SX30IS would be more of (not) the same...


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Apr 01, 2011 21:06 as a reply to  @ stevewf1's post |  #4

Tuttifrutti - I think you have the opportunity for a "best-of-both" setup there...

Your S95 with its larger than the bridge-zooms sensor and aperture, has good low-light, high-ISO, quality JPEGs - and RAW. What it doesn't have, is much Zoom, for Images or Video.

The SX30 with 35x Optical Zoom, has plenty of that, and the Zoom also works well with the Std HD Video. From what I've seen, the Video is pretty good quality.

What it doesn't do quite as well, are stills JPEGs - the 14Mpix on the still 1/2.3" sensor doesn't help with that, or with the low-light / high-ISO - and there's no RAW. You can add the SX10-type "Superfine" large file-size low-artifacting, low-compression JPEG level (and RAW) - to the SX30 / SX20 - with the CHDK 'hack' - it runs from an SD card and doesn't harm or permanently change your camera. Do a Search for CHDK, this Forum, if interested.

Or - as Steve suggests - if you don't need HD Video - and 20x Zoom is enough - the SX10 probably does the best Superfine JPEGs of all the Bridge Zooms (my SX10 certainly does better JPEGs than my 30x Fuji HS10...)

The link Steve gives takes you to ample descriptions of the SX10, by Delija, myself, and others. You can also look at the "Show Us Your Best With The SX10" thread - plenty of examples there.

You do have good HD Video with your S95 already - the SX30 would only be an advantage if you need a lot of Video Zoom.

The SX10 is a better JPEG stills Bridge Zoom. However, it does do good VGA Video - 640 x 480 - in the current H264/MOV format. The SX10's 1.4x internal Teleconverter (NOT direct 'digital zoom' - it's interpolated zoom) - is quite usable to a "virtual 28x" for stills, in good light - displayed at reduced size, the images are quite adequate for onscreen or sharing. (There's also 2.3x TC - but that isn't very usable...)

The 1.4x TC actually works better with the Video, as that doesn't use the whole sensor, anyway.

However, the SX10 is either becoming, or has become, a bit of a "collector's item", due to its quite compact size, not being "too obvious", even using the 20x Zoom, and the excellent 10Mpix on 1/2.3" sensor JPEG quality, so isn't as cheap as you'd expect for a "2 models old" camera. (You "can" add RAW with CHDK - but on that size sensor with Superfine JPEGs, probably wouldn't gain much.)

I have a Fuji HS10 - 30x / 10Mpix on 1/2.3" BSI-CMOS sensor... My SX10's JPEGs are a lot better than the HS10's - and the Fuji's RAF RAWs not that much better than the SX10's Superfine JPEGs - they're of more use for correcting light/shade errors, and for low-light / high-ISO, than getting much better actual quality than the SX10's images...

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Apr 02, 2011 07:19 |  #5

Hi folks,

Thanks very much for your advice and information...

Sounds like the SX10 IS is the one then :)


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Apr 02, 2011 15:19 as a reply to  @ tuttifrutti's post |  #6

Tuttifrutti - I'm sure you'll love your SX10 - and even a year from getting it - it will still be surprising you with what it can actually do!

You can download the PDF Manual - and there's a reason why there's 292 Pages of it - the SX10 has a lot of settings and adjustments. Do take time to grab a coffee-etc - and go through the Manual properly.

There IS a printed Manual - 15cm x 10cm / 6" x 4" - all 292 Pages of it - you might be able to find - or via your local Canon dealer. Very handy to take with you, in the first few weeks with an SX10.

There are many SX10 adjustments that aren't immediately obvious...

If for some odd reason you don't like your SX10 - just PM me for an address where you can "dispose" of it..... Being generous - I'll even pay the postage.... :lol:

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Apr 02, 2011 16:28 |  #7

exwintech wrote in post #12144936 (external link)
Tuttifrutti - I'm sure you'll love your SX10 - and even a year from getting it - it will still be surprising you with what it can actually do!

You can download the PDF Manual - and there's a reason why there's 292 Pages of it - the SX10 has a lot of settings and adjustments. Do take time to grab a coffee-etc - and go through the Manual properly.

There IS a printed Manual - 15cm x 10cm / 6" x 4" - all 292 Pages of it - you might be able to find - or via your local Canon dealer. Very handy to take with you, in the first few weeks with an SX10.

There are many SX10 adjustments that aren't immediately obvious...

If for some odd reason you don't like your SX10 - just PM me for an address where you can "dispose" of it..... Being generous - I'll even pay the postage.... :lol:

Dave.

Cheers Dave, i'll bear that in mind ;)

Mind you, now i've spent a day trawling the net, i'm torn between the SX10 and SX20 again... SX20 for the extra video facility and I believe I can add the super fine jpeg to it with CDHK. I've just seen some very impressive images on flickr from a Brazillian SX20 group. A very talented guy on there has shown me that you can get some incredible images from it...

Torn, torn, torn :rolleyes:


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Apr 02, 2011 23:02 as a reply to  @ tuttifrutti's post |  #8

Tuttifrutti - The "star" of a specialist SX20 Group will of course be an expert with that particular model....

While you can add the Superfine JPEG save level to the SX20 - it can't be the same as the SX10...

What works so well with the SX10 is its "optimum" 10Mpix on a 1/2.3" CCD. The SX20 puts 12Mpix on the same size 1/2.3" CCD.

With 20% more receptor crowding on the sensor, while the low-compression, low JPEG-artifacting Superfine save mode will help - the noise comes in at lower ISO - so affects dull day, evening and early morning shots more.

A friend here bought an SX20 after using my SX10 for a weekend - and couldn't get a new SX10.... She's used my SX10 quite often since - and I get the SX20 to use while she has my camera.

She'll still swap her over a year newer SX20 + $50.00 + a Sandisk 8GB Ultra SDHC card (quite expensive here) for my SX10....

From my SX20 experience, if you go with that - try to stick to ISO 80-100-200 with it. The noise at 400 is becoming rather noticeable, unless you downsize the image a lot. The SX10's ISO 400s are okay - and 800s, with some (change to non-lossy format first) minor cleanup. In the SX20, ISO 800 isn't worth using - unless you had CHDK, and shot RAW, to denoise at that level.

As I've found with my Fuji HS10's RAWs - from a 1/2.3" sensor, RAWs are more for adjusting WB, light and colour, than for denoising - they don't have anything like the information range that even an approx 16 x 24mm crop-body DSLR RAW has.

If you were buying the SX20 "mainly for the video" - the SX30 would be a much better bet - it manages video very well indeed. Try the auction sites and second-hand camera shops for a used SX30.

As for Flickr - have a look there for images done with a Fuji S2000HD.... Reduced to 800 x 600 and processed onto Flickr - they'll look quite good, too... And the S2000 Fuji (I also have one of those) - is not at all a wonderful camera.

Dave.




  
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Apr 02, 2011 23:23 |  #9

Here's some stuff I've done with mine.

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Here's one of my favs taken with the 30 and a polarized filter.
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6D . Gripped 60D . Gripped XSI . Opteka 6.5 . Canon 10-22 . Canon 18-135 . Canon 50 1.8 MKII . Canon 24-105 f4 L . Canon 70-200 2.8 IS MKII L . Canon 70-300 IS USM . Sigma 150-600 . Canon 100mm Macro . Canon 2X III . 430 EXII . Manfroto 190XPROB . Manfrotto 055XPROB . Black Rapid Sport . Outback 200
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Apr 02, 2011 23:26 |  #10

Whoops wrong one. Here's the right one.

Dr.D wrote in post #12135002 (external link)
Here's one with the zoom. I know it's a horrible pic, but this house is probably 5 miles from where I took this. I've upgraded to the 60D, but keep this one around for the zoom and macro since I haven't got the money for new lenses yet.
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6D . Gripped 60D . Gripped XSI . Opteka 6.5 . Canon 10-22 . Canon 18-135 . Canon 50 1.8 MKII . Canon 24-105 f4 L . Canon 70-200 2.8 IS MKII L . Canon 70-300 IS USM . Sigma 150-600 . Canon 100mm Macro . Canon 2X III . 430 EXII . Manfroto 190XPROB . Manfrotto 055XPROB . Black Rapid Sport . Outback 200
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Apr 05, 2011 06:45 |  #11

If you want a good zoom camera than have a look at Panasonic Lumix FZ45 the best camera in its range (my opinion) its a 24x optical zoom and also supports video. If you want to stick with canon than I think Canon SX20IS is a good option.


This information is provided "as is" for information purpose only, I am professional content editor at Camerafobia Blog - Digital Camera, DSLR Reviews (external link)
I am hobbyist photographer and have played with most of the leading cameras.

  
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Apr 07, 2011 00:58 as a reply to  @ john_332's post |  #12

the lumix is nice - brother has one... but i gotta say.. compared to the sx1 and sx20 (mine, and dad's respectively) the lumix is pretty terrible at low light levels (and i'm not claiming either the sx1 or sx20 are stellar in that respect)

Additionally, the lack of a hot shoe was a deal breaker.

Aside from the canons (I've thought about going from the sx1 to the sx30 - but it seems more of a lateral move.. i give up a few things i like to get longer zoom) the other camera i would consider is the fuji hs11 - but thats a very love it or hate it camera.. I loved the manual zoom ring when i used it - and it had decent low light capability. Before the firmwre updates however - it was taking pretty bad pictures, so it got a bad rep among superzooms.




  
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