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I almost gave it all up.

 
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Mar 30, 2011 16:53 |  #1

I almost gave it all up. I just bought my first digital DSLR about two weeks ago. Coming over from film took quite a bit of mustard on my part. I shot with it for 35 years. I bought the Canon 7D, and 24-105mm f/4L to go with it. I traded in my two older non-L lenses on the new L glass. Later that day I went and took around 75 pictures. A few come out OK, not great, but most were short of the mark. I was in all honesty pretty disappointed. I thought I had a lot to learn about the camera, so I read the forum and the manuals, and Canon site everyday. I took 100-200 pictures everyday but my pictures were not improving, and 5 days in my camera gave me the infamous Error 20. Back to the camera store, none in stock, could be a month or two wait. 5 days later low and behold a brand new one from Canon shows up, even has the 1.2.4 firmware. Back into the field I go. Ducks, Turkey Buzzards, family, after 500 shots and 3 days later, I had but one thing to say, If my pictures are indicative of the results I can expect from digital photography, you can keep it. 95% percent of my pictures were not only soft, but when I blew them up 100% some of the birds looked like a fuzz ball. Colors were horrible. I thought the technology has a long way to go, I'm not Ansel Adams but I'm not that bad either. I got to thinking maybe I got a bad lens or a bad camera again. Maybe some testing is in order on the outside chance something is wrong. I go outside and set five bottles with writing on them, 6 inches apart at around 20 feet. I place the lens at 105mm @ f/4, turn the IS off and place the camera on a tripod. I place the focus on spot focus and get a good focus lock on the middle bottle. Perfect. I take the camera in and look at the picture at 100%. None of the bottles are in focus. The one I focused on is best and I can read the text, but it's very apparent it is much more distorted than it should be. I give the lens a -5, +5, +10 and +15 Micro adjust and repeat the same test at each micro adjust setting. Can't get the text in perfect focus although the lens was pretty good at +7. However at 35mm it's out of focus. That's the problem with Micro Adjust on zoom lenses, it usually only works at one focal length. In this case 105mm. Funny thing was the lens didn't really appear out of focus, it seemed like all the colors just weren't converging correctly.

Anyway I call the store and tell them now I have a bad lens. I get the you better talk to our Canon specialist. You must be doing something wrong speech. He is off today but will be in on Wednesday. So today I go to the store. He puts the lens on a 60D and goes around the store taking photo's at 1 to three feet. I keep telling him the problem is 10 feet and beyond but he doesn't seem to hear me. He keeps putting the photo's on the computer behind the counter and telling me look there sharp and nothings wrong with them. After 45 minutes of this I go get my camera out of the car, I show him a sign on the wall with a lot of writing on it. Probably 25 feet away. I take a shot and blow it up in the camera. I set the micro adjust to +10 and take the exact same photo. He then gets a 70-200 f/4 lens and takes the same photo. My problem solved he sees the problem with the lens.

I bought the 70-200mm f/4 L lens on the spot. I can honestly say I think I'm going to be much happier now. Below is from the first few pictures I shot with the new lens.

I've never been so happy to find out I had a bad lens.:)

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Mar 30, 2011 17:20 |  #2

The 7d+70-200 f/4 is a great combo. Enjoy!


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Mar 30, 2011 17:29 as a reply to  @ JHutch's post |  #3

Glad that you ended up with a lens that works. I use my 70-200 f/4 for outdoor sports and it's a fantastic lens. Hopefully you will find something in the shorter range that ends up working for you as well. It's not an "L" lens but the 17-55 f/2.8 IS would be worth checking out if there is any money left in the budget.


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Mar 30, 2011 17:31 |  #4

I would also check out the 35L if you're looking for something a bit shorter.


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Mar 30, 2011 17:33 |  #5

Remember to postprocess your shots. Most people transcending from film to digital do not realise that even digital photos need to be "developed". Add sharpening and tweak the White Balance in Camera Raw, Lightroom or Digital Photo Professional and your photos will look equally as stunning as they did in your film days!

Good going btw, the 70-200 is crisp sharp.


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Mar 30, 2011 17:38 as a reply to  @ JHutch's post |  #6

Thanks guys, I will of course be looking for a shorter lens. I'm hoping Canon will anounce the 24-70 f2.8L "IS" this year. If it's not crazy priced I might go for that. The 35L sounds good. Not sure about the 17-55. I might upgrade to a full frame sensor in around 2-3 years, so I will probably stay away from EF-S lenses.

I'm really not sure what to get on the short end. I will use it mainly for family and some band work in dark bars. 17-40 f/4 L sounds good but I would like something faster. IT will be a tough decision that will be for sure. :) But I will have fun with the search and research!!

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Mar 30, 2011 17:40 as a reply to  @ Bang Bang Boy's post |  #7

Nice! My go to lens for the 7D is my 24-70 2.8L... next I'll get the 70-200


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Mar 30, 2011 17:46 |  #8

I'm just going to leave this here... 7d + 35L

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Mar 30, 2011 17:55 |  #9

The 7D will rip apart a lens. Interestingly one of the first 5D2 and 7D comparison threads occurred over on FM with a 24-105 upon the 7D's release (I think I can find it yet), and the same results where obtained there. Everyone immediately started to tear the 7D down. I tried a 24-105 on the 7D and had the same results, and came to the conclusion back then that some copies of lenses just won't work well on the 7D but will on other bodies.

EDIT: Took some doing, but I found it, the first page of this very long post shows the 24-105L on the 7D vs 5D, about the same results I found. It was all lens-related.
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Mar 30, 2011 17:56 as a reply to  @ JHutch's post |  #10

I just got the 35L myself and it's an awesome lens. When I first got into photography I never considered a prime but once I bought the 85 1.8 for basketball I was hooked. The 35L may end up being the reason I sell my 24-105, not ready to part with it just yet though.


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Mar 30, 2011 17:58 |  #11

My 24-105L is EXTREMELY sharp on my 7D... I never had an issue with it looking soft, ever.

And I have pretty high sharpness standards!


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Mar 30, 2011 18:25 as a reply to  @ Invertalon's post |  #12

Thanks Teamspeed,

That is exactly what I was getting. The brush and trees that looked so soft is what I was experiencing. The farther away the target the worse it got. The photo's were so bad they were not acceptable by any standard.

I'm so glad you sent me that, so much information, it may be hard to find but it is so nice it's so readily available.

Thanks Again

JHutch, I like I like. The 35l would be a nice edition. Got any wider shots you can show.

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Mar 30, 2011 18:28 |  #13

Bang Bang Boy wrote in post #12126934 (external link)
Remember to postprocess your shots. Most people transcending from film to digital do not realise that even digital photos need to be "developed". Add sharpening and tweak the White Balance in Camera Raw, Lightroom or Digital Photo Professional and your photos will look equally as stunning as they did in your film days!

Good going btw, the 70-200 is crisp sharp.


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Mar 30, 2011 18:32 |  #14

Hey Bill, where in Ohio is home for you? If we're close and you want to meet up, maybe I can help you get that camera sorted out. The 7D isn't the easiest body in the fleet to work with. But once you do get the hang of how it REALLY works, you'll be extremely happy with the 7D and your new 70-200 lens.

Looks like you're off to a pretty good start.

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Mar 30, 2011 18:59 |  #15

Bill, good for you bagging the 70-200 -- the whole series of those lenses produce great results.

It's too bad about the 24-105 -- like TeamSpeed I had heard "stories" but still there are a lot of very happy 24-105 shooters here with all kinds of bodies, the 7D included. It sounds like you saw problems that can be very quickly caught and returned under warranty, if you did decide to try another one. You mention full frame, and that lens is, to me, a great "walk-around" lens on my 5D Classic. A very nice range for the ff and of course the IS helps, especially when you are limited to f/4.

Another note -- when I got my first DSLR, a 30D, I didn't hesitate to get some EF-S lenses. I started with the EF-S 17-85 IS which, sad to say, wasn't the sharpest "knife in the drawer" but was still usable. Over time I picked up the EF-S 10-22, a great ultra-wide lens, and the EF-S 60mm Macro, a very fine, sharp lens, and in time the 17-55 f/2.8 IS, which is a great lens. All that, while at the same time I was eying eventually going full frame, and in fact picked up some glass that would serve me well in both formats -- the 24-70 which is great on both the 5D and the 1.3x crop I now shoot with, and the 70-200 f/2.8 IS, which is my go-to sports/action/automoti​ve lens on the crop camera(s).

And so I picked up the 5D and, hey, it came included with the 24-105 at a discount and I figured "why not" and, like I said, I've been quite happy with it.

And, I have all three bodies now taking up space and I could even resort to picking up the 30D on occasion if I could tear myself away from the other two.

Well, have a great time with your adventure!


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