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What would you like to see improved on the 5d Mk3?

 
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Dec 02, 2011 02:45 |  #256

This is a quotation from Photography Bay website:

We get a new 1Ds camera in 2011, while the 5D Mark III is pushed off until next year.
Canon 1Ds Mark IV Rumored Spec List
• 32mp CMOS (Full Frame)
• Evolved 45 point AF system (current 1D4)
• Dual DIGIC 5
• CF & SD Slots
• New Battery
• 3,7,9 fps
• ISO Range 50-102,400
• Ergonomic Changes
• 100% VF
• 3.2″ LCD (Highest Resolution Ever)
• Improved AF in LiveView
• Unknown Movie Mode and specifications
• Unknown if there will be a wireless flash commander
• In camera software feature upgrades
The 32MP-ish resolution range has bee thrown around a lot for the next 1Ds camera, as well as the 5D Mark III; however, these are all still rumors. That said, the above spec list seems like a reasonable expectation and rather evolutionary, which has been the custom for the 1Ds line.
As for the 5D Mark III being pushed off until next year . . . that rumor also comes from a “known source” via Canon Rumors. The only specifics mentioned cite a first quarter 2012 launch date.
I wouldn’t think we’d see a 5D Mark III launched around CES. It may be a launch independent of any trade show, as Canon has not really shown any love for trade shows since it infamously declined to attend PMA a couple of years ago. While Canon will certainly be at CES 2012, I don’t really expect any new products aside from some simple point and shoot cameras and maybe some camcorders.
If the camera hasn’t made it to store shelves by then, the first closeup look at the 5D Mark III may come at the NAB Show in April next year. This would likely be a fitting debut for the camera due to the 5D Mark II’s Hollywood aspirations.




  
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Dec 02, 2011 02:48 |  #257

^ You know it's crap because there will be no 1Ds IV, at least not in the near future. Anyone who's read the press release knows this.

As the new leader in Canon’s arsenal of professional DSLRs, the EOS-1D X will be a high-speed multimedia juggernaut replacing both the EOS-1Ds Mark III and EOS-1D Mark IV models in Canon’s lineup.

http://usa.canon.com …ageKeyCode=pres​sreldetail (external link)

And from the Canon 1D X Overview (http://usa.canon.com …as/slr_cameras/​eos_1d_x): (external link)

Canon has brought the best of the EOS-1D Series of digital cameras into one phenomenal model: the new flagship of the EOS line, the EOS-1D X




  
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Dec 02, 2011 03:33 |  #258

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^ You know it's crap

Maybe. However, I don't see how an 18 MP sports camera can claim the title flagship for very long.




  
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Dec 02, 2011 03:56 |  #259

The 1Dx replaces the 1D and 1Ds series does not necessarily mean there will be no other full frame camera besides the 5DIII. Canon could be seperating FF into something like the 1.6 crops where its seperated into 3 classes XXXD, XXD and XD. 1DX is professional, that camera roumer above is the intermediate and the new 5DIII the entry level FF. No?


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Dec 02, 2011 07:21 |  #260

Canon needs to let us know what's coming.
I am looking for three new bodies. I have ordered a 1D X for one of them, mostly because of its advertised high ISO low light excellence. If this claim isn't real there is always the Nikon 3D or successor.
I am also looking for a high resolution studio camera. Medium format would be nice. Preview and focus without mirror is a must. Focus has to be dead nuts preferably in form of live view with a panning, high ratio live view zoom and contrast focus. Having to tether it to a PC would be ok. Weather proofing not required. Vertical grip not required. Follow focus not required. Speed not required. Don't even mention video.
If you know of a 30+MP, no noise FF or MF like that, please let me know.
My third body is for street use. I am pretty sure it will be a 24 MP Sony NEX 7 adapted to full frame glass, anticipating the arrival of a full frame Sony NEX 9 within the year.




  
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Dec 02, 2011 08:18 |  #261

Wow, bengten, you're not fooling around!


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Dec 02, 2011 08:57 |  #262

toxic wrote in post #13483309 (external link)
^ You know it's crap because there will be no 1Ds IV, at least not in the near future. Anyone who's read the press release knows this.

http://usa.canon.com …ageKeyCode=pres​sreldetail (external link)

And from the Canon 1D X Overview (http://usa.canon.com/c​usa/consumer/products/​cameras/slr_cameras/eo​s_1d_x): (external link)

Anyone that has thought about it has realized that the ever increasing pixel count in DSLR cameras would eventually peak and level off (there is some point where extra pixels simply will not be cost effective). I sincerely doubt that we have reached that point at 18MP as several recent posts seem to suggest. (18MP might be optimal for FF low-light performance, but low-light is not everything).

I think Canon would be making a huge mistake if they don't keep a 5D camera in their lineup with about 26+ MP.


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Dec 02, 2011 09:13 as a reply to  @ hairy_moth's post |  #263

Canon needs to let us know what's coming.


That can be a critical mistake, as the Paul C Buff company has learned to its embarrassment.

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Dec 02, 2011 09:17 |  #264

hairy_moth wrote in post #13484180 (external link)
Anyone that has thought about it has realized that the ever increasing pixel count in DSLR cameras would eventually peak and level off (there is some point where extra pixels simply will not be cost effective). I sincerely doubt that we have reached that point at 18MP as several recent posts seem to suggest. (18MP might be optimal for FF low-light performance, but low-light is not everything).

I think Canon would be making a huge mistake if they don't keep a 5D camera in their lineup with about 26+ MP.

Yes, It needs to be remembered that the 1-Series is a different market niche. Canon Inc actually signalled its intention to one day converge the 1-Series into a single camera several years ago (I'll dig up the link--it's still online somewhere).

I don't think Canon will allow another company to operate alone in the high-megapixel market when there is no reason why they can't field a camera in that market as good as anyone else's.


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Dec 02, 2011 09:45 as a reply to  @ RDKirk's post |  #265

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/C​anon_5d3.html (external link)

Found a link to this over on FM this am..

1st If, like me, you're curious about the 1D X really being a true replacement for the 1Ds3, and how this fits with the 18MP 5D3 comments below, then there is a Japanese interview with the 1D X developers [DCW , Google xlt]
The jist of the bit about the 1Ds3 and a move to MF is (I believe):
"While we hear the voices, we want to see what the actual sales numbers will be for the 1D X and so determine how many 10,000s of customers we might be losing if we do not introduce a higher resolution camera and if the projected profitability of a higher resolution 24x36 mm format camera will justify development, marketing, and manufacturing investments , or if there is a sustainable market for the even greater costs of development, marketing, and manufacturing medium format cameras and lenses - an area where we have no internal expertise."
In other words: don't count on a much higher resolution camera anytime soon but it is not an absolute "no".

Reads like they're in a "wait and see" pattern




  
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Dec 02, 2011 10:33 as a reply to  @ rick_reno's post |  #266

a Japanese interview with the 1D X developers

Don't presume that the 1Dx developers were speaking for any project but their own.


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Dec 02, 2011 10:51 |  #267

i think its justifiable. They want to test if the market will accept less MP and if it does, canon will gain a big step over Nikon, because Nikons are known for better ISO performance but with a higher cost. If canon equals Nikons ISO performance, yet stays ahead on pricing, then there will be little reason to choose Nikon over Canon.


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Dec 02, 2011 11:20 |  #268

You know D800 is gonna be 36MP right? Nikon and Canon are both going for each other's market


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Dec 02, 2011 18:33 |  #269

rick_reno wrote in post #13484406 (external link)
"While we hear the voices, we want to see what the actual sales numbers will be for the 1D X and so determine how many 10,000s of customers we might be losing if we do not introduce a higher resolution camera and if the projected profitability of a higher resolution 24x36 mm format camera will justify development, marketing, and manufacturing investments, or if there is a sustainable market for the even greater costs of development, marketing, and manufacturing medium format cameras and lenses - an area where we have no internal expertise."

This is a most remarkable statement !
Canons most successful camera was the 5D Mark II, a pioneer in high resolution.
The problem was that it killed their sales of the 1D. Now they are going to try to repair their 1D market share by crippling the rest of their own product line.

HELLO CANON, anybody home ?

Remember when it was said that the transistor was impractical.
Remember when the fastest PC ran at 4 MHz.
Image sensors are still in their infancy.
In ten years we will be able to build 4000 MP 24x36 mm chips.
There will be an array of 10x10 pixels where today there is one.
Noise will not be an issue because of pixel shift and pixel averaging.

Meanwhile Canon is going to do what ??




  
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Dec 02, 2011 18:42 |  #270

bengtenyman wrote in post #13486626 (external link)
Canons most successful camera was the 5D Mark II

How do you define "most successful camera?" It certainly is not their best selling camera, I doubt it is the camera from which they made the most overall profit, probably not profit per unit either. I doubt whether it was their most innovative camera.

It might be the one a lot of us like a lot :cool:, but most successful -- I doubt.


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