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What would you like to see improved on the 5d Mk3?

 
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Dec 02, 2011 19:02 |  #271

bengtenyman wrote in post #13486626 (external link)
This is a most remarkable statement !
Canons most successful camera was the 5D Mark II, a pioneer in high resolution.
The problem was that it killed their sales of the 1D. Now they are going to try to repair their 1D market share by crippling the rest of their own product line.

HELLO CANON, anybody home ?

Remember when it was said that the transistor was impractical.
Remember when the fastest PC ran at 4 MHz.
Image sensors are still in their infancy.
In ten years we will be able to build 4000 MP 24x36 mm chips.
There will be an array of 10x10 pixels where today there is one.
Noise will not be an issue because of pixel shift and pixel averaging.

Meanwhile Canon is going to do what ??

Prove to me that Canon won't be the first one to build this pipe dream?


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Dec 02, 2011 19:17 |  #272

I see more 1000D cameras than i do anything else.


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Dec 03, 2011 19:35 |  #273

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Maybe. However, I don't see how an 18 MP sports camera can claim the title flagship for very long.

The 1D X is the flagship, Canon has said so themselves. Next iteration will probably have more pixels, but a 1Ds IV is not happening.

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The 1Dx replaces the 1D and 1Ds series does not necessarily mean there will be no other full frame camera besides the 5DIII.

I never said that, I said the rumor is BS because there will be no 1Ds IV. There could be a 3D or 5Ds or whatever with a high-MP sensor, but it won't be a 1-series.




  
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Dec 04, 2011 05:19 |  #274

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... but a 1Ds IV is not happening ... but it won't be a 1-series.

I don't care what Canon decides to call their new cameras. The fact remains: They need to offer a high MP studio camera as well as a low dollar version of the 1DX, if they want to stay in the top camera game.
If you look at Canons latest financial statements you will probably find the real reason why they are not saying or doing much right now. Money talks !




  
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Dec 04, 2011 08:34 |  #275

It's slightly possible that Canon Inc has been paying attention to sales records. If so, they might have noted that it was not the 1D that lost sales to the 5D2, but the 1Ds.

They might have also noted that the hard-core 1D users were people for whom combat robustness and high speed performance were absolute requirements...but not so the studio guys.

"Flagship" is a marketing term. The 1DX is intended to be the optimum blend of resolution, combat robustness, and high speed performance, and IMO Canon Inc was thinking properly about that.

If they were thinking properly about the 1DX, maybe they'll be thinking properly about the needs of studio photographers as well. We don't actually need that level of robustness and performance (we never had it in any of our medium format cameras). Even today's medium format digital cameras suck in performance and robustness next to the 5D2.


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Dec 04, 2011 08:40 |  #276

Where are you guys seeing sales figures broken down by camera model? That would be interesting data to see. Link?


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Dec 04, 2011 13:05 as a reply to  @ gjl711's post |  #277

For those who poo-poo video on DSLRs, here is an example of DSLR video shining in its own unique way. This is not cinematography--rather, it's actually closer to old school (Life, Look) documentary work than to cinematography.

http://vimeo.com/31426​899 (external link)


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Dec 04, 2011 13:11 |  #278

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I don't care what Canon decides to call their new cameras. The fact remains: They need to offer a high MP studio camera as well as a low dollar version of the 1DX, if they want to stay in the top camera game.
If you look at Canons latest financial statements you will probably find the real reason why they are not saying or doing much right now. Money talks !

You need to calm down, ok...

You're making really wild assumptions (and accusations) that, unless you're the CEO of Canon and you're just here slumming, you can't possibly prove.

Please turn down the vitriol and go take some pictures (assuming you own a camera and have anywhere to show them .. Information that's conspicuously absent from all of your posts.)


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Dec 04, 2011 15:10 |  #279

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wild assumptions (and accusations)

Don't get all bent out of shape. Canons situation is most likely temporary. But it does delay things.




  
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Dec 04, 2011 15:37 |  #280

With all the improvements mentioned....how much you want to pay for them ?.


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Dec 04, 2011 20:19 |  #281

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Where are you guys seeing sales figures broken down by camera model? That would be interesting data to see. Link?

I googled "Best Selling DSLR" Here is one link:
http://www.advancedpho​tography.net …elling-dslr-cameras-2010/ (external link)


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Dec 04, 2011 20:23 |  #282

That list breaks down pretty much as I would have imagined.

Wish there was data to carry it all the way through the respective pro bodies. Particularly by percentage of total sales.


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Dec 04, 2011 21:34 |  #283

The problem with those lists is that you don't know what their sample size is or what the numbers are from. There are also other lists with different rankings. For instance, this one doesn't even have the 5DII in the top 25 and puts the T1i and XS on top.
http://dslrs.1001noisy​cameras.com/ (external link)
And Amazons list is also different.
http://www.amazon.com …ameras/zgbs/pho​to/3017941 (external link)
As is this one.
http://www.squidoo.com …tal-slr-cameras-2009-2010 (external link)

I suspect that only Canon knows what their model sales numbers really are.


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Dec 04, 2011 23:12 |  #284

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The problem with those lists is that you don't know what their sample size is or what the numbers are from. There are also other lists with different rankings. For instance, this one doesn't even have the 5DII in the top 25 and puts the T1i and XS on top.
http://dslrs.1001noisy​cameras.com/ (external link)
And Amazons list is also different.
http://www.amazon.com …ameras/zgbs/pho​to/3017941 (external link)
As is this one.
http://www.squidoo.com …tal-slr-cameras-2009-2010 (external link)

I suspect that only Canon knows what their model sales numbers really are.

i am surprized to see the 60D make it into those lists. With all the complaining about lower build quality and lacking features i would never think of it being a top selling camera.
Well the 1000D is no longer for sale, but to this day 90% of anything i see around me is the 1000D. At weddings almost all the guests who are not using P&S are shooting with 1000Ds'. Same goes for any other functions. in my country the 1000D is starting to fetch extremely high second hand prices because its no longer avalable new. Even to find it $50 below the cost of a brand new 1100D is rare. Its crazy


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Dec 05, 2011 06:27 as a reply to  @ boerewors's post |  #285

i am surprized to see the 60D make it into those lists. With all the complaining about lower build quality and lacking features i would never think of it being a top selling camera.

Canon split a marketing segment, which was very clever.


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