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Has Anyone Dropped The 100-400 For A 300L?

 
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Apr 02, 2011 11:19 |  #1

First, I think the 100-400 is wonderful, so my decision will not be based on wanting to get away from the lens, but I am thinking the 300 prime with a 2x would be more suitable for my uses. I spend alot of time at the 400 end of my zoom already, and doubling the lens at any zoom level is so limiting as to make it really unreliable for IQ. I get about fifty fifty useable images at any zoom level with the 2x on the 100-400.
Has anyone here had positive results using a 1.4 or 2x with the 300? I think the IQ improvement would possibly give me better rates of sucess with the 2x 300 set up, and I am thinking shooting at 300 prime and cropping may beat 400 with the zoomer.
anyone have any opinions? as I said, I am perfectly happy with the 100-400 but wondering if the 300 would be a bigger smile on my face, especially when I double it with a 2x.


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Apr 02, 2011 11:55 |  #2

Which 300 L?


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Apr 02, 2011 13:02 as a reply to  @ gasrocks's post |  #3

Even if your speaking of the outstanding 300L/f2.8 IS prime with a 2X at 600mm versus the 100-400L at 400mm the results visually can be seen below if you rely on these charts like some folks do:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=7​&APIComp=0 (external link)

No doubt though the 100-400L with a 2x will produce less IQ quality then the above linked 300/f2.8 IS prime:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1001570

With a fixed f2.8 lens bear in mind the best IQ will be attained using f8.0 versus f5.6 using any 2X extender.

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Apr 02, 2011 14:03 |  #4

I figured he was talking about the f/4 since it's in the same price range as the 100-400.

I've been going back and forth between getting the 300 f4 and the 100-400. Fortunately I don't have the money yet, so I still have some time before I decide. :)


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Apr 02, 2011 16:03 |  #5

Sorry, yeah i am thinking 300f4.0, and leaning heavily on first hand advice versus the website lens theorists, I am hoping to find someone that has made this change first hand.


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Apr 02, 2011 16:06 |  #6

EF 300/4 L IS lens does take a 1.4x TC well but no more well.


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Apr 02, 2011 16:21 |  #7

what about upgrading to a 7D...the crop factor over your 5D puts more megapixels on the target, and you'll have the ability to crop more...and a better AF system for BIF


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Apr 02, 2011 17:19 |  #8

I see no advantage at all, but then I love my 100-400, since it has served me well (and still does). BUT, I would not mind having a 300 f/4 for butterflies...

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Apr 02, 2011 17:37 |  #9

I don't have the 100-400mm but I do have the 300mm f/4L IS and I do use it with a Canon 2X extender. The IQ isn't that bad as people make it out to be. Here is a picture of the moon. It is heavily cropped because I use it on a FF body. http://www.flickr.com …/37014341@N03/3​982682071/ (external link) I also used it to take some surfing pictures. This one is hand held and cropped as well. http://www.flickr.com …/in/set-72157623403179764 (external link)

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Apr 02, 2011 17:43 as a reply to  @ Saint728's post |  #10

would suggest keeping the 100-400. Swap in the 10D for a refurbished 7d via the loyalty program and use it for distance shoots with the 100-400. We had that combo last year on safari and could not have been happier.




  
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Apr 02, 2011 17:48 |  #11

birdfromboat wrote in post #12145115 (external link)
Sorry, yeah i am thinking 300f4.0, and leaning heavily on first hand advice versus the website lens theorists, I am hoping to find someone that has made this change first hand.

I did that swap. I had my 100-400 for over 5 years before I sold it and still rate it as the most versatile long lens available, as well as an excellent wildlife lens. However the (my) 300mm F4 IS is significantly better from 300mm on. The better IQ and sharpness allow me to crop and get a better 400mm+ equivalent image than the 100-400 also the slightly higher magnification is great for larger insects etc.
I have used my 300 with the Canon 1.4 Mk2 converter with reasonable success, but generally I don't bother, I simply crop a bit.
Recently I was photographing a Tit (bird) extracting seeds from a Bulrush with my 600mm F4 IS. As I had a bucketful of images I invited a friend (the current owner of my 100-400, who now wants my 300!) to put his 1D3 on my lens and get some shots. As I now had nothing better to do I put my Canon 2x converter on the back of my 300 and had a go shooting hand held just to see what it could do. Well my 1D4's lightning fast AF was quite pedestrian with this combo, but it was accurate! IQ was not perfect but IMHO would produce a quite decent A4 print.
To me the 300 F4 IS was a definite upgrade, but it is less flexible - so you need to work within it's limitations to see it's advantages. Whilst mine was surprisingly good with the 2x converter, if you need more reach you really need a longer (expensive!) lens, if funds are limited then the 400mm F5.6L makes a lot of sense - try one before you decide. If 300mm will do what you want then the 300 F4 is a stunner at the price.:cool:


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Apr 02, 2011 18:56 |  #12

300 f/4 IS + 2xTC on a non-1 series body = no good

Tried it recently on my 7d and it was a definite no-go. The IQ wasn't that bad IF I could have gotten a picture in focus. If we're talking about the moon, well that's fine, but for anything that moves - at all - forget it.


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Apr 02, 2011 19:19 |  #13

johnf3f wrote in post #12145536 (external link)
, if funds are limited then the 400mm F5.6L makes a lot of sense - try one before you decide. If 300mm will do what you want then the 300 F4 is a stunner at the price.:cool:

If your budget strapped like alot of folks i tend to agree with the above and would consider the 400L/f5.6 prime which is sharper then the 100-400L no doubt.

You could then add a 1.4 extender and simply tape the pins as per below to maintain AF and with a crop body still have a FOV of 896mm that is not too bad IMO with fairly decent IQ. Now this is if you dont do BIF shots of Peregrine Falcons ! :lol:

http://www.michaelfurt​man.com/taping_the_pin​s.htm (external link)

But dont forget you will be at F8.0 which isnt bad but you will be forced to shoot in decent outdoor ambient lighting conditions and probaly be limited to slow moving BIF subjects like Seagulls ! :lol:

Its not a shame to be poor but it would be nice if we could all have either the 500/f4 IS, 600/f4 IS, or just the little old 400/f2.8 below that i would love to have:

http://www.nikonusa.co​m …0mm-f%252F2.8G-ED-VR.html (external link)

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Apr 02, 2011 23:00 |  #14

Thanks everyone. still loving that 100-400. I need to borrow the 300 I think. And get a 1.4 to compiment the 2X I have now.

As for upgrading to a 7D, I am planning a 1Ds mkII for next year, so the 7D isn't really on my radar. My version of a loyalty program is keeping that 10D of mine untill it spontaneously combusts.


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Apr 02, 2011 23:11 |  #15

I thought about it a couple times, but giving up the versatility of the 100-400mm range in a single lens for the way and situations I use that lens, it really is the best option. The 300 f/4 was just too limiting.


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