New to calibtration - pulling my hair out.

Hi guys,

I have recently upgraded my system and already encountered some problems. Bought wide gamut display Nec pa241w (multiSync NOT SpectraView-purely because of the price difference – this is huge here in Europe). I have been trying to calibrate it with i1display2 and its software but when I do the advanced mode it just crashes(why? ). It performs ok in easy mode though. Therefore I’ve tried basicColor 4.1.22 trial software.Seems to work fine. My problem is of course the colour consistency between different colour spaces. Please, help me hear if you can or I will literally lose all my hair:P

I use LR3 and CS5.

Well, to start with all my old pictures I took ages ago look slightly greenish especially skin tones. Whenever I save for web in CS5 or export in LR3 using sRGB pictures have dull colour and all saturation is sort of lost. It will probably help if I put down step by step what I do and hopefully you could tell me what I am doing wrong.]

So let’s begin with LR3

1. Calibration first ( I will try to attach a print screen of my last calibration, I would appreciate if you could tell me what you think)
2. Calibaration/profil​e Saved.
3. Playing around with my pictures in LR3 than saving it for web as .jpg using sRGB
4. When I view it on my iPad colours are dull/drab/no saturation especially in greens and reds
What is your workflow? Should choose my monitor’s prfile in the Color Space dropdown menu when saving for web instead of sRGB?

Photoshop CS5

Well here I don’t know what to do to be quite honest. What I do is this.
1. I go to Edit/Color Settings and chose Custom/proPhoto RGB (when I choose Europe General Purpose3 than I can't choose proPhoto RGB)
2. Play around with images and then what? Should I Assign Profile or Conver to Profile and then choose my monitor’s profile before Saving for Web? (what is the difference between assigning and converting?) Or should I do neither but Save for Web and then check the Convert to sRGB box ( well, when I do that my colours are still dull and not saturated) Should I check the Embed Profile box as well? ( I think I have done it and it didn’t help:P)

To sum it all up,
I would be really grateful if you could help sorting this out. I am beginning to think I should have gone for the nec 231 which is the standard gamut. Anyway money is spent I need to face that issue. There is no going back.
Once calibration is completed, please tell me what steps I need to take for my pictures to look the same/as close as possible on different monitors.

N.B
GPU - firepro v4800
connection - DP

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Oh, please tell me what you think of my calibration resutls

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I don't have a wide-gamut monitor but I have heard murmurs about things getting funny when you try to use a non-color manged app in one -- so, two ideas -- only used a color-managed app when viewing an sRGB image would be important -- it should display the image the same way that Lightroom/Photoshop do. I believe Firefox lets you set up color management. Depending on your OS, the browsers are out there (not sure what's available for Macs).

Another fun thing to try would be to use an additional/second monitor that is not wide gamut (you said you upgraded, so if your old monitor is still available/functional you could grab it).

For this to work properly/efficiently, you want a video card that has two (or more) "fully functional" outputs, in other words it requires the card to have separate "Look Up Tables" for both ports so that you can calibrate each display and the card saves the info separately.

Such cards are not necessarily expensive (unless you want one loaded with graphics RAM for, say, gaming or video); you just have to be specific when shopping for one, don't just grab a discount card that has two outputs, but make sure you get one with two dedicated outputs. Otherwise, both monitor will use the same profile, meaning one will be screwy.

And, with color-managed apps, you don't mess with the monitor profile in the app, it recognizes the system profile, although if you try to switch the app from one monitor to another you may have trouble. The Canon software Digital Photo Professional does, however, require you to set up the Display profile in its Color Management tab. Just once, though, although actually it could be handy in case you want to move it from one display to the other!

BasicColor IS the European Spectraview. You'd do best to combine it with either a Spyder3 puck or the ColorMunki sensor.

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
I have been trying to calibrate it with i1display2 and its software but when I do the advanced mode it just crashes(why? ).

No idea why it crashes. Latest version of the software?

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
Well, to start with all my old pictures I took ages ago look slightly greenish especially skin tones.

Viewing in what application?
Might be they are slightly green

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
Whenever I save for web in CS5 or export in LR3 using sRGB pictures have dull colour and all saturation is sort of lost.

Again: Viewing in what application?

You should not see a difference in colormanaged applications (except for very saturated colors, which don't fit in sRGB gamut)
Save for web:
http://www.getcolorman​aged.com/color-management/saveforweb/

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
3. Playing around with my pictures in LR3 than saving it for web as .jpg using sRGB

So far, so good.

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
4. When I view it on my iPad colours are dull/drab/no saturation especially in greens and reds

Well, your iPad is not calibrated, and I don't think (not sure) it's colormanaged.

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
What is your workflow? Should choose my monitor’s prfile in the Color Space dropdown menu when saving for web instead of sRGB?

Only if you want to make sure your monitor is the only monitor to display the image correctly. So: No

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
Photoshop CS5

Well here I don’t know what to do to be quite honest. What I do is this.

PS color settings:
http://www.getcolorman​aged.com …nagement/pscolo​rsettings/

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
2. Play around with images and then what? Should I Assign Profile or Conver to Profile and then choose my monitor’s profile before Saving for Web?

Convert to sRGB for web.

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
(what is the difference between assigning and converting?)

Convert changes the "numbers", assign changes the colors:
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=707058

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
Or should I do neither but Save for Web and then check the Convert to sRGB box ( well, when I do that my colours are still dull and not saturated) Should I check the Embed Profile box as well? ( I think I have done it and it didn’t help:P)

Use "Save for web", and tick the box. The colors should not change (much) in PS.
If they do, you're doing something wrong.

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
Oh, please tell me what you think of my calibration resutls

Looks oka-ish. (delta E of 1.5 is a bit much I'd say), but the calibration is not the issue I'd say.

Well mainly in Windows7 photoviewer, but wheter I use cs5 or firefox they all look the same. I don't know which to trust for the right color - my senses, my calibrated monitor or my ipad.
I am viewing some of the pictures posted on this forum taken and PPed by really skilful and knowledgable photographers and I know there is now way they have done those skin tones a llitlbe bit green:P

Shall I check the Embed profile box as well?
What is it that I may be doing wrong?
When I know that the picture I am processing is mainly for web not print, can I work in the prophotoRGB colour space or there is no real advantage and sRGB should do and it's safer?

Would I have simillar issues with colour consistency had I bought a normal gamut dispay?

All I want to do/have is to process my images in LR3 and/or CS5, look at them, save for web and know that when I view those images on my normal gamut monitor at work or even on my wide gamut monitor using windows photo viewer they will look as close as possible to what I have at home.

I don't mind the steeeep color management lerning curve as long as I'll achieve the results I want.

I know I have already asked like hundred questions but this's been so frustrating:P


Thanks everone for your help.

Images posted for the Web and for other "sharing" purposes should always be converted to sRGB. And, it is also a "safe" color space for external printing outfits, so if, say, you are offering files that others can download an print, sRGB is the best alternative.

For your personal work, the color space "doesn't matter", in fact Lightroom treats Raw photos in the ProPhoto RGB color space, but when you convert when exporting, you have to make an informed decision, and for many/most uses sRGB can be the best choice. The same applies in Photoshop -- you either have the Preferences set to use sRGB and convert incoming images to sRGB if they are not already using that color space or you will want to be in the habit of using the Edit/Convert to Profile function for any images headed for the Web or other types of sharing.

Firefox by default is not color managed if the image does not have an imbedded profile. You are imbedding sRGB so that isn't your problem but can be with images from other sources.

You have to turn it on if you want images to display properly on a wide gamut monitor. Do a Google search since it is not an option you can set within Firefox, directly.

tommmy.star wrote in post #12145177
Hi guys,

I have recently upgraded my system and already encountered some problems. Bought wide gamut display Nec pa241w (multiSync NOT SpectraView-purely because of the price difference – this is huge here in Europe). I have been trying to calibrate it with i1display2 and its software but when I do the advanced mode it just crashes(why? ). It performs ok in easy mode though. Therefore I’ve tried basicColor 4.1.22 trial software.Seems to work fine. My problem is of course the colour consistency between different colour spaces. Please, help me hear if you can or I will literally lose all my hair:P

I use LR3 and CS5.

Well, to start with all my old pictures I took ages ago look slightly greenish especially skin tones. Whenever I save for web in CS5 or export in LR3 using sRGB pictures have dull colour and all saturation is sort of lost. It will probably help if I put down step by step what I do and hopefully you could tell me what I am doing wrong.]

So let’s begin with LR3

1. Calibration first ( I will try to attach a print screen of my last calibration, I would appreciate if you could tell me what you think)
2. Calibaration/profil​e Saved.
3. Playing around with my pictures in LR3 than saving it for web as .jpg using sRGB
4. When I view it on my iPad colours are dull/drab/no saturation especially in greens and reds
What is your workflow? Should choose my monitor’s prfile in the Color Space dropdown menu when saving for web instead of sRGB?

Photoshop CS5

Well here I don’t know what to do to be quite honest. What I do is this.
1. I go to Edit/Color Settings and chose Custom/proPhoto RGB (when I choose Europe General Purpose3 than I can't choose proPhoto RGB)
2. Play around with images and then what? Should I Assign Profile or Conver to Profile and then choose my monitor’s profile before Saving for Web? (what is the difference between assigning and converting?) Or should I do neither but Save for Web and then check the Convert to sRGB box ( well, when I do that my colours are still dull and not saturated) Should I check the Embed Profile box as well? ( I think I have done it and it didn’t help:P)

To sum it all up,
I would be really grateful if you could help sorting this out. I am beginning to think I should have gone for the nec 231 which is the standard gamut. Anyway money is spent I need to face that issue. There is no going back.
Once calibration is completed, please tell me what steps I need to take for my pictures to look the same/as close as possible on different monitors.

N.B
GPU - firepro v4800
connection - DP

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Oh, please tell me what you think of my calibration resutls

Hi mate. soz I can't give u much but I have the i2 also. I went to the Xrite site and got a load of undated software for it, including Match.

I dunno if this'll elp as I'm guessing u've dun that it but it's all I got.

cheerz,
snapz