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My FlashBus Tour Mini Review

 
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Apr 05, 2011 21:08 |  #1

I attended the Raleigh, NC session of the Flash Tour on 4/4/2011. More information on the tour and it’s dates can be found by visiting http://www.theflashbus​.com/ (external link). The following is a short snapshot of what they day looked like and my personal review of the tour.
First off, I find David Hobby and Joe McNally completely polarizing figures in the world of off camera flash photography. They are simply amazing and I truly enjoy their blogs and inspiration. David runs http://www.strobist.co​m/ (external link) and Joe blogs at http://www.joemcnally.​com/blog/ (external link). If you do not visit those regularly, you are missing out.

The day began with David Hobby. For those that do not know, David is very keen on using Nikon off camera flashes in manual mode. He tends to use less gear than Joe, but don’t let that fool you into thinking that his photography is less dramatic. David walked the crowd through the importance and differences in 4 types of light. Ambient, Fill, Key, and Accents. He spent time on each one of these subjects and discussed what each meant and what getting them correct would give to your photos. I loved the way he incorporated his Lighting in Layers methodology from his DVD (external link)set. This involved starting with the base ambient light, exposing it for the effect you looked for, and then layering in multiple lights to obtain the final photo. It was very cool to see the steps involved and what each light did to the overall final image.

David then went into discussions around using a one light setup, a two light setup, and discussed how moving to 3 or 4. He talked about the benefit and challenges involved in One Light photography and how it was not really his style. He spent more time on two light setups. He walked through multiple photos as examples. He would discuss the benefits on one, two, or 3 lights, and why he thought a certain one was right for that specific photo and location. When he was finished with his discussion and all of the photo examples, we broke for lunch.

After lunch, Joe McNally took over. For those that do not know, Joe is sort of the opposite of David. As mentioned, David goes for less gear. For example, David would probably shoe up at an event with a small camera bag containing a body and a couple of lenses, a few SB-800 flashes and pocket wizards, and a couple of light stands on his back. Joe would show up to that same shoot in a SUV with a couple of assistants and enough gear to take up the rest of the SUV and then some.

Joe is a Nikon TTL photographer. He rarely put any flash in manual mode and said that’s normal for him. Once the assistants setup the stage with some tether tools gear, a laptop, a large GOBO to block the sun from entering the overhead windows, several light stands, and an assortment of modifiers, it was time to begin. Joe walked the room through a great discussion on TTL and why he loves it. He discussed the benefits and fully admitted the limitations and frustrations it can sometimes bring. He made a very good statement about the camera and the shooter. “The camera is a machine. It does not take risks. YOU do. “ That’s pretty much his take on shooting and it shows. He will try many things in the mix of getting to his final image. His DVD (external link)set covers his approach too. It was awesome to watch him bring in different modifiers and watch the photo evolve. At one point, he took the same model and showed the difference in on camera flash, bounce, off camera, a Lumiquest Softbox III, a Lumiquest LTP, and using multiple Lastolite trigrip’s as shoot through modifiers. I enjoyed seeing the immediate differences in the quality of light from each of those. As a side not, he and David both enjoy the 2 Lumiquest modifiers mentioned here. They use them very close to their subjects and I have to admit I was impressed and will be adding them to my bag shortly. Joe then went on to other larger modifiers and showed multiple examples of adding different types of light to your images. Once again, he also showed the layering process as he would start with a single flash and then add more and more until he got the look he wanted.

Personally, I found this event well worth the money and would pay even more to go see these guys in the future. I am only covering the high level overview in this review and can assure you there was plenty of commentary and crowd involvement. It was a really good building exercise for each photo. David and Joe covered many best practices and some other gadgets not mentioned here. I just wanted to give anyone on the fence a good idea of what the tour was all about and help them decide on attending.

For me, the value was watching two brilliant photographers with different approaches go through their process of building a photo. They go about it with different technologies (IE Manual vs TTL), but they both arrive at very creatively layered images. I did buy both DVD sets and will be reviewing them in the next weeks. If they are coming anywhere near you, do not miss it.


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Apr 05, 2011 22:38 |  #2

Thanks for the very insightful review.
I have a ticket for Chicago, and some earlier comments made me think I might have spend the money in hast. Your review makes me look forward to the day.


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Apr 05, 2011 22:43 |  #3

Great information! I have to attend one of these workshop/sessions! Thank you so much for sharing!
(oh, a little fyi - I purchased a Nikon D7000 for 2010 Christmas). Well, it wasn't my fault. My job gave me a huge bonus!


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Apr 05, 2011 23:04 |  #4

awwww! they are coming to my city April 7 and it's sold out! My job would have paid this for me :(

I have to wait until next time! I might just walk downtown where they will meet up and try to sneak in. Hahah! My job is across the street from Adorama and walking distance to B&H!


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Apr 06, 2011 06:52 |  #5

If you are close, I would go and see if you can get in. There was a guy at Raleigh walking the line of people and trying to sell his extra ticket. He eventually left it at the security desk and told them to give it to anyone that came and needed a ticket. It may be worth going and asking the people in line to see if anyone has an extra.


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Apr 06, 2011 07:05 |  #6

They were in Raleigh and I didn't have the kids! Damn, If I was closer maybe. I've seen the vids and David seems like a really charismatic person. I know I would learn a lot since I'm still really green.


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Apr 06, 2011 07:38 |  #7

I'm attending this Saturday and looking forward to it. Thanks for the great writeup!


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Apr 06, 2011 08:24 |  #8

Thanks for the write up!
Did they spend any time talking about or explaining Canon gear?


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Apr 06, 2011 08:31 as a reply to  @ sml's post |  #9

Thank you for the detailed write up! How big was the crowd attending your event? I am scheduled for tomorrow.....:)


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Apr 06, 2011 08:44 |  #10

jackies35 wrote in post #12167163 (external link)
awwww! they are coming to my city April 7 and it's sold out! My job would have paid this for me :(

I have to wait until next time! I might just walk downtown where they will meet up and try to sneak in. Hahah! My job is across the street from Adorama and walking distance to B&H!


On Friday this week, ie the 8th April, Joe McNally & David Hobby will be at Adorama from 11am - 1pm; you can come in and say hi, or pick up a signed copy of their new DVDs!



  
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Apr 06, 2011 09:00 |  #11

I went to the show in Atlanta.

I was a little disappointed coming from the tech side. I personally feel that you can save the $99 bucks and learn all that they are showing you from the web.

To me the real thing I got out of this event was more when they were "off" then "on". What I mean is during the breaks they would hang around and answer questions. Here you got to listen to how things are in the business, hear about lighting and hear about their experiences. This was a lot of fun.

I felt that Joe's "live" shooting was more "staged" then it needed to be but I guess that is to be expected as many times as they are doing it. I am a Canon shooter so I know nothing about the Nikon flash system...but to me it was very much trial and error...which I tend to so myself. I highly doubt people want to watch me shoot live....;)

David probably could have done his part "live"...and I would have liked that more than watching his layer approach through slides.

To some that are not as far along the "Strobist" track will get great benefit from this. If you have been around the block or two then I think you might be a little disappointed.

If you are going make sure to not do the bio breaks...and find Joe or David and ask questions or sit back and listen. That is the real show in my opinion.

Oh yeah...we had 400 plus people.

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Apr 06, 2011 09:06 |  #12

Harleypugs wrote in post #12168965 (external link)
I went to the show in Atlanta.

I was a little disappointed coming from the tech side. I personally feel that you can save the $99 bucks and learn all that they are showing you from the web.

To me the real thing I got out of this event was more when they were "off" then "on". What I mean is during the breaks they would hang around and answer questions. Here you got to listen to how things are in the business, hear about lighting and hear about their experiences. This was a lot of fun.

I felt that Joe's "live" shooting was more "staged" then it needed to be but I guess that is to be expected as many times as they are doing it. I am a Canon shooter so I know nothing about the Nikon flash system...but to me it was very much trial and error...which I tend to so myself. I highly doubt people want to watch me shoot live....;)

David probably could have done his part "live"...and I would have liked that more than watching his layer approach through slides.

To some that are not as far along the "Strobist" track will get great benefit from this. If you have been around the block or two then I think you might be a little disappointed.

If you are going make sure to not do the bio breaks...and find Joe or David and ask questions or sit back and listen. That is the real show in my opinion.

Oh yeah...we had 400 plus people.

Jon

Nice feedback and you highlight the reasons I did't go.


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Apr 06, 2011 12:05 |  #13

Answering some questions.

They did not spend much time on Canon or really Nikon either. Other than talking aout TTL general info and how Nikon handles it with the flash.

I would say there was 300-400 or so there. It was a big room and it was fairly full.


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Apr 06, 2011 15:54 |  #14

HelenOster wrote in post #12168887 (external link)
On Friday this week, ie the 8th April, Joe McNally & David Hobby will be at Adorama from 11am - 1pm; you can come in and say hi, or pick up a signed copy of their new DVDs!

I saw on Adorama's website saying they will be there from 11am-1pm. If they are doing there flashbus tour lecture from 10-5 how will they be at Adoroma for 2 hours during that time??

It's just that I will be attending the NY stop, and was wondering if we will loose 2 hours with them??


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Apr 06, 2011 20:19 |  #15

Dustman wrote in post #12171441 (external link)
I saw on Adorama's website saying they will be there from 11am-1pm. If they are doing there flashbus tour lecture from 10-5 how will they be at Adoroma for 2 hours during that time??

It's just that I will be attending the NY stop, and was wondering if we will loose 2 hours with them??

I believe it's on Friday April 8th that they will be at Adorama.


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