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Apr 10, 2011 21:55 |  #1

I have a couple photos with finger smudge on the lens and I was wondering whats the best way to remove it? I'm talking about all those little hexagon shaped bokeh around the sun. heres an example:

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Apr 10, 2011 22:00 |  #2

I'm not sure where on the image the smudge you're referring to is but are you using a UV filter? If so I'd not use it except in severe conditions because they can cause bad flare problems. If you're not using one, well, where is the smudge, unless you are talking about the purple area that seems to be part of the flare in some way...


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Apr 10, 2011 22:15 |  #3

I may be wrong but stuff on the front of the lens shouldn't effect the image outcome unless it is a gnarly and I mean gnarly scratch, dust, hair and a finger smudge should not have an effect. I stand to be correct though. Like tony asked, did you use a filter? It might just be the lens and how you were angled. Many things can cause this to happen.


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Apr 10, 2011 23:52 |  #4

If you are talking about the hexagon shaped flare around the sun, that is because you are shooting a bright light source at f/22. Those will change size and shape until they eventually go a way as you open up the aperture. You can see the same thing in this night shot (external link) with a street light in the frame (also at f/22).

If you are talking about the blue spot on the right side near the horizon, I don't know what that is, but it's not a finger print. It looks strange for flare unless you've done something to it during processing.


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Apr 11, 2011 00:29 |  #5

I think he's talking about all the mess around the sunflare. OP I too was led to believe that the front element had virtually no effect on the final picture. However, I learned that does NOT apply when shooting into the sun. I shot some sunset pictures in Hawaii and there was some dust+sand on the ND filter. Well, I got all sorts of little dust flares only noticeable in dark areas of the image.


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Apr 11, 2011 00:36 |  #6

Sorry for not clarifying but yes I'm talking about all those little hexagon shaped bokeh around the sun. I know they are caused by the finger smudge on the 18-55mm lens because after I wiped it clean the rest of the shots didn't have those hexagon shaped bokeh around the sun. No filters were used. So whats the best way to remove them in photoshop?



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Apr 11, 2011 00:42 |  #7

jxs1984 wrote in post #12198093 (external link)
Sorry for not clarifying but yes I'm talking about all those little hexagon shaped bokeh around the sun. Whats the best way to remove them in photoshop?

There's no good way to remove them, but you could try a combination of clone, heal, and blur tools. You can minimize them in the future by staying under f/9.


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Apr 11, 2011 00:45 |  #8

jxs1984 wrote in post #12198093 (external link)
I know they are caused by the finger smudge on the 18-55mm lens because after I wiped it clean the rest of the shots didn't have those hexagon shaped bokeh around the sun.

Did you reduce the aperture or move the sun to a less prominent place in the frame after wiping away the smudges?


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Apr 11, 2011 00:58 |  #9

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Did you reduce the aperture or move the sun to a less prominent place in the frame after wiping away the smudges?

Interesting. I checked the aperture info as I go through the photos and when I reduced the fstop from f/22 to f/20, the finger smudge/bokeh did become less obvious. It's still noticeable though.

But after I wiped, I went down to f/18 and saw no sign of finger smudge/bokeh... only flares.

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Apr 11, 2011 20:01 as a reply to  @ jxs1984's post |  #10

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="Sdiver2489"]I think he's talking about all the mess around the sunflare. OP I too was led to believe that the front element had virtually no effect on the final picture. However, I learned that does NOT apply when shooting into the sun.

Never thought about shooting into the sun attributing to the cause - I knew about the tiny f-stop causing flares, and the front element not making a difference. Hmmm, guess I better keep that lens pen handy.

Extreme front element example - http://kurtmunger.com/​dirty_lens_articleid35​.html (external link)




  
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Apr 12, 2011 13:40 |  #11

This has to be because of a dirty front element right? UWA into the sun. The spots should move if it were flare ,no?

Shot with a dusty front element (nothing big just small dust specks) 10mm and no filter. Straight conversion without adjustments.
For best effect download the photos and view them after each other and you will see the spots stay in the same place.


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