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Upgrade from 400d (Rebel XTi)?

 
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Apr 17, 2011 05:52 |  #1

Experts,

I have mild upgrade fever. Please advise.

Current body - Canon 400D with battery grip
Likes - size, dependability, ease of use (normally use Av mode), focus, long batt life
Dislikes - slow fps and buffer, 2.5" screen, high ISO noise

What I shoot - landscapes, wildlife, birds, some street shots, night shots, low light. Limited sports. (See Flickr link for examples of a few favorites.) Willing to consider trading the vaunted EFS 17-55mm IS (my low light lens) for a body which can run at high ISO. I will miss that lens though so wanna be careful on the tradeoff.

Thoughts -

60D - don't shoot video but otherwise seems ok for me. How huge is the difference from the 400D?

7D - I have two EF-S lenses I could use on this. Like fast focus, fps and low noise. Body is big but seems acceptable.

5 series - not sure I want focus issues but otherwise IQ is appealing. Used 35mm for ages so FF is cool. I'm not convinced IQ improvement is tangible. Larger file size would be a drag.

1 series - as a hobbyist hard to justify price but borrowed one from friend and liked results. Seems slightly over the top.

Discuss.

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Apr 17, 2011 06:09 |  #2

In the same scenario I chose the 60D.

I'm an enthusiastic amateur, gadget geek etc, but I don't want to make money off the hobby or carry around a housebrick (7D).

My girlfriend fell in love with it during a month in Africa. I'd consider the 600D now that it has been released if you want a slightly smaller size. Some comparisons show the 600D has a slightly higher low light noise, but otherwise is the same sensor as the 60D/7D. I guess it depends on if you shoot a lot in low light (i do. i shoot practically only at night)

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Apr 17, 2011 09:10 |  #3

There is no 5 series focus issues. Where does this rubbish come from?


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Apr 17, 2011 10:12 |  #4

MGiddings Photography wrote in post #12238712 (external link)
There is no 5 series focus issues. Where does this rubbish come from?

It uses an antiquated 9 point AF system that has only one cross type precision sensor.


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Apr 17, 2011 10:19 |  #5

Yet it has been producing some of the best images in recent times and used by professionals around the world who seem to manage to produce in focus images.

Can't you focus yours Dave?

Again, there are no focus issues regarding these cameras.


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Apr 17, 2011 10:45 |  #6

Hey!

I was told....if you shoot....buy.
sports: Canon 7D
landscapes: Canon 5D

So figure out which you shoot more of and buy er. Then buy the other as a backup (what Im doing).

I love my 7D but am gonna go full frame too.

Lotta people have reported 5D Mark II focusing issues. Seems MGiddings is the only one I've seen who hasn't.


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Apr 17, 2011 10:47 |  #7

I think at $1k the D60 is a great camera for you to upgrade to.




  
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Apr 17, 2011 10:48 |  #8

Check this first page page jmweb people are reporting focus issues with the 7D and I remember when it first come out lots of people reported focus issues and sent their 7Ds back.

There is currently a poll asking about it.

So anyone else with a 5D also not having any focus issues?

What about you jwweb, how does your 5D focus?


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Apr 17, 2011 10:57 |  #9

I don't have a 5D yet am in the researching phase and i keep hearing about focusing issues :)

Infact, one guy I might be buying from is selling all his Canon gear to go Nikon as hes pissed with the amount of times hes not gotten the shot due to camera focusing issues at weddings.


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Apr 17, 2011 11:04 |  #10

Maybe people are just putting what they have heard and not what they experience.

You will also find Nikon users moving to Canon. Both Nikon and Canon make great cameras, I have used both and Fuj's DSLRs. Never had any focus issues with any of them.

I suspect there will be more people coming along soon on this thread and confirming they don't have any focus issues with their 5Ds etc. Sometimes focus will miss in any camera including Nikons but usually it is user error in the most part.


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Apr 17, 2011 11:12 |  #11

One affordable and effective "upgrade" from an XTi would be a T2i, which generated these images.

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Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


Focal Length: 210.0mm
Aperture: f/5.0
Exposure Time: 0.0040 s (1/250)
ISO equiv: 6400
Exposure Bias: +0.33 EV
White Balance: Manual
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

IMAGE NOT FOUND
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Focal Length: 95.0mm
Aperture: f/4.5
Exposure Time: 0.0040 s (1/250)
ISO equiv: 4000
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

IMAGE NOT FOUND
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


Focal Length: 145.0mm
Aperture: f/2.8
Exposure Time: 0.0040 s (1/250)
ISO equiv: 1600
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Partial
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Manual
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

The T2i's controls are essentially the same as the XTi's, so there's no learning curve. The major mechanical changes between the cameras are batteries and memory cards. The T2i's major image-gathering advantage over the XTi is at high ISO's, demonstrated in the above images.

From the wish list in the OP, there's a good chance that lens upgrades might be more effective than a body upgrade. The mention of "wildlife, birds" in that message hints that a long and fast lens might be a better purchase than a new camera body.



  
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Apr 17, 2011 11:51 |  #12

I love my 60D and have no desire to have a 7D or a 5D. It is the perfect blend of features, size, and price.


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Apr 17, 2011 11:55 |  #13

I was coming from an XTi and debated on the 7D or 60D and went with the latter figuring I don't do sports or action, and the savings would be used for a lens or accessories, which is was (50 1.8 and 1.4TC and counting).

My wife and I really like the decision!




  
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Apr 17, 2011 16:17 |  #14

Uh, the 5D focus issues are legendary!! One example discussion -

http://thomasfitzgeral​dphotography.com …n-5d-focus-problems-real/ (external link)

Try to keep up!


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Apr 17, 2011 16:26 |  #15

boneycat wrote in post #12239124 (external link)
I think at $1k the D60 is a great camera for you to upgrade to.

You DO mean 60D... i don't know why you'd want him to spend $1k on a canon digital that pre-dates the original rebel. :p

IMAGE: http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOSD60/Images/specsview.jpg

You mean THIS, right?

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A D60 would just a TIIINY bit out of date... and quite a significant difference in performance. :D

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