Room for a Third FF Cam?

Just thought of something while talking in the 5D III thread and decided id post it here

in the 5DIII thread things seem pretty split down two sides...

Side 1 wants the 5DIII to be a modest upgrade of the 5II, a new sensor and that but overall they just dont feel it needs a faster AF or frame rate as they think its going to push the price of the 5DIII up closer to the 1 series

Side 2 wants a BIG upgrade, a new sensor, 1-series AF, quicker frame rates on par with the D700 and 7D (its not full frame but still) and MUCH improved weathersealing, Basically they want a 1Ds in a smaller form factor

So my question is, Why not have both?

Take the 5DIII and reposition it in the market, Give it a modest upgrade, a new high res sensor, keep the AF at 9 points, same framerate, same build, and price it lower, say $2000 or $2200

At the low price theres no question it would have VERY high sales

Then offer another camera, I'll just call it the 3D because the numbering makes sense...

Give it upgraded AF, a sensor tailored for high ISO shooting, Better sealing, advance rates on par with the 7D/Nikon D700 and price it at $3200

Then we have the 1Ds IV, give it the same high res sensor as the 5DIII, but with different processors and that, tweaked and tuned and do everything possible to give it the highest possible image quality, not just resolution but also DR on the market, Basically the 1Ds becomes a cam designed to go against entry level medium format bodies

KenjiS wrote in post #12280302
Take the 5DIII and reposition it in the market, Give it a modest upgrade, a new high res sensor, keep the AF at 9 points, same framerate, same build, and price it lower, say $2000 or $2200

No reason whatsoever from Canon's standpoint to price it lower than the current 5D2. Not like they have any problem selling at that price point (although it would be nice, haha.)

KenjiS wrote in post #12280302
Give it upgraded AF, a sensor tailored for high ISO shooting, Better sealing, advance rates on par with the 7D/Nikon D700 and price it at $3200

i.e., You basically want a 1D with FF sensor and priced A LOT LOWER than the current 1D (i.e., kill APC-H altogether). They might kill APC-H, but no way they'll do it that cheap.

KenjiS wrote in post #12280302
Then we have the 1Ds IV, give it the same high res sensor as the 5DIII, but with different processors and that, tweaked and tuned and do everything possible to give it the highest possible image quality, not just resolution but also DR on the market, Basically the 1Ds becomes a cam designed to go against entry level medium format bodies

I'm not sure if Canon is in any danger of losing market to MF right now.

HyperYagami wrote in post #12281670
i.e., You basically want a 1D with FF sensor and priced A LOT LOWER than the current 1D (i.e., kill APC-H altogether). They might kill APC-H, but no way they'll do it that cheap.

I think he is saying he wants a D700/D800.

Killing the APS-H is just a matter of time, imo.

I would love a full frame, 16 megapixel full frame body with basically the 7D's specs (same af, 5-6fos would be ok for me). Dual card slots could be nice but certainly not a must. On board flash commander and a true on board focus assist (not the annoying flashes but IR patterns) would make it a great tool in any photographers workflow I guess.
Canon should really consider stopping to take features out of lower end bodies to stop eating into the 1D/1Ds line, since "other brands" are eating into those sales now...

Just make the one body to rule the "middle of the pro market". The 1Ds can still be the studio's body of choice, and the 1D range still has advantages to the true sports shooters.

TweakMDS wrote in post #12288102
Just make the one body to rule the "middle of the pro market".

rule the market in terms of? spec or sales? 5D2 isn't doing so spec-wise but it's surely doing so sales-wise. the market is pretty much telling canon "no, you don't need to offer super duper spec, we're still buying your stuff left and right".

HyperYagami wrote in post #12293630
rule the market in terms of? spec or sales? 5D2 isn't doing so spec-wise but it's surely doing so sales-wise. the market is pretty much telling canon "no, you don't need to offer super duper spec, we're still buying your stuff left and right".

The video production market makes up a large chunk of 5DMkII sales...

Interesting ....

Maybe a 5DIII that follows along the lines of the 60D, which would be a great bargain at the $1900 price point. Same sensor, refined a bit perhaps, same AF as the present 5-series, etc. The intermediate body, the "7D" of full-frame Canons might be the mythical 3D with 5-6 fps, a 7D-esq AF system, metering, WB, interface, and other features in a nice 24 mpx package. And of course, the biggun 1-series with all its trimmings.

It sounds possible. I just think your pricing is way low. I could see the following:

5d III - $2700
28mp
4 fps
9 pt AF - 4 outer cross points and cross center
ISO 25,600 with clean low ISO's and similar high ISO to the 5d2
1080p 24,30-- 720p 24,30,60
1080 and 720 video crop mode

3D - $3900
18mp
7.5fps
19pt AF All cross pt with wide spread
100% VF
DUAL DIGIC 5
ISO 102,000-- 1.5 stop improvement over 5d2
1080p 24,30,60 -- 720p 24,30,60,120

1ds IV - $6900
36mp
6fps
45pt all cross pts
100% VF
ISO 25,600
RAW video
Video stabilization
2k video @ 60fps, 1080 24,30,60

^^^ Interesting but I think your price on a 1DsMkIV is too low... ^^^

Add about three grand...

I fear when the 5DIII does come out it will be >US $3,000 for the body.

Naturalist wrote in post #12298899
I fear when the 5DIII does come out it will be >US $3,000 for the body.

Guarantee it will be if they build it more like a 1-series and less like the "simple box" that makes excellent images like it's been in versions 1 and 2.

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #12298970
Gaurentee it will be if they build it more like a 1-series and less like the "simple box" that makes excellent images like it's been in versions 1 and 2.

Maybe maybe not, it might depend on costs and that

I'm still really shocked nowone else has countered Sony's $2000 a850 yet.....

Sony is making strides but they have a ways to go before they're a serious threat to market share.

Drozz119 wrote in post #12298753
It sounds possible. I just think your pricing is way low. I could see the following:

5d III - $2700
28mp
4 fps
9 pt AF - 4 outer cross points and cross center
ISO 25,600 with clean low ISO's and similar high ISO to the 5d2
1080p 24,30-- 720p 24,30,60
1080 and 720 video crop mode

3D - $3900
18mp
7.5fps
19pt AF All cross pt with wide spread
100% VF
DUAL DIGIC 5
ISO 102,000-- 1.5 stop improvement over 5d2
1080p 24,30,60 -- 720p 24,30,60,120

1ds IV - $6900
36mp
6fps
45pt all cross pts
100% VF
ISO 25,600
RAW video
Video stabilization
2k video @ 60fps, 1080 24,30,60

I notice the CF door was not addressed. No sale!