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Apr 25, 2011 18:12 |  #16

bobbyz wrote in post #12291266 (external link)
Don't understand something, your flash has not enough power for letting you match sun's exposure at given subject distance (f16 in your example) but same flash has power to beat the sun by two stops when using HSS mode?

Going into HSS mode alone will make you loose 2 & 1/2 to 3 stops then for each every one stop of increase in ss you loose one stop of flash power. I know you gain back this one stop as you use wider aperture. But for ambient/flash ratio how does using HSS mode get you two stops over ambient?

At f/16, my 580EX is not quite able to give me correct exposure at ~6-7 feet (which is the flash-to-subject distance in my example). Two Speedlites (which I had) would have been fine, but I would have needed f/16 to get under 1/200, and that was unacceptable for a stylistic reason.

So with HSS, I could open up to f/3.2, kill the ambient with 1/6400, and get the exposure. The key was using two Speedlites.

Obviously, there is a limit to what you can achieve with HSS, but in this situation, it worked perfectly.


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Apr 25, 2011 18:15 |  #17

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Assuming you wanted to shoot at f/2.8, 4.5 stops will be difficult to achieve with shutter speed and HSS. And with ND filters you have to consider if your speedlite has enough power output to allow for such an exposure.

Which is why everyone needs at least two Speedlites. ;)


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Apr 25, 2011 18:22 |  #18

edge100 wrote in post #12291519 (external link)
At f/16, my 580EX is not quite able to give me correct exposure at ~6-7 feet (which is the flash-to-subject distance in my example). Two Speedlites (which I had) would have been fine, but I would have needed f/16 to get under 1/200, and that was unacceptable for a stylistic reason.

So with HSS, I could open up to f/3.2, kill the ambient with 1/6400, and get the exposure. The key was using two Speedlites.

Obviously, there is a limit to what you can achieve with HSS, but in this situation, it worked perfectly.

You could have done same without HSS when using two speedlites. That is all I am saying.


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Apr 25, 2011 18:27 |  #19

bobbyz wrote in post #12291575 (external link)
You could have done same without HSS when using two speedlites. That is all I am saying.

Yes; I made this exact point in the blog post.

But I couldn't have done it at f/4, and that's the point. HSS lets you use wider apertures.


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Apr 25, 2011 21:56 |  #20

With that setup, you lose the benefit of the depth of field you may get @ f-16 or f-22.
There's no substitute for raw flash power sometimes.




  
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Apr 25, 2011 22:05 |  #21

ootsk wrote in post #12292742 (external link)
With that setup, you lose the benefit of the depth of field you may get @ f-16 or f-22.
There's no substitute for raw flash power sometimes.

uhhhhh they don't want that DOF.... that's why were are talking about it. not everyone wants the backgrounds to be clear as a bell, sometimes people like that bokeh.... lol.


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Apr 25, 2011 23:27 as a reply to  @ BoneJj's post |  #22

Noone's heard of ND filters? Odd. ..


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Apr 26, 2011 05:07 |  #23

TwoShoes wrote in post #12293235 (external link)
Noone's heard of ND filters? Odd. ..

I prefer to be able to actually see something in the viewfinder. ;)

ND filters are a good option too.


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Apr 26, 2011 05:14 |  #24

ootsk wrote in post #12292742 (external link)
With that setup, you lose the benefit of the depth of field you may get @ f-16 or f-22.
There's no substitute for raw flash power sometimes.

Did you read the post???

I didn't want DoF; I wanted a nice blurred background AND good flash exposure. And that means using HSS with two Speedlites (or a four stop ND filter).

Had I wanted or needed f/16-like DoF, then I would have either needed bigger strobes or multiple Speedlites.


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Apr 26, 2011 08:38 |  #25

edge100 wrote in post #12291600 (external link)
Yes; I made this exact point in the blog post.

But I couldn't have done it at f/4, and that's the point. HSS lets you use wider apertures.

ND filter, simple.

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IMAGE: http://www.bobbyzphotography.com/img/s5/v4/p145115903-5.jpg

Now with ND filter, @f3.2
IMAGE: http://www.bobbyzphotography.com/img/s10/v16/p9114399-5.jpg

You much better off using your hot shoe strobes at your max sycn speed with ND filters than using HSS mode. I am not denouncing HSS mode, I use both modes. BTW - the VF wasn't bad when using 3 stop filter.

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Apr 26, 2011 08:46 |  #26

bobbyz wrote in post #12294946 (external link)
ND filter, simple.You much better off using your hot shoe strobes at your max sycn speed with ND filters than using HSS mode. I am not denouncing HSS mode, I use both modes. BTW - the VF wasn't bad when using 3 stop filter.

Nice shots. Can you provide more info on your lighting setup? One or two speedlights? Bare, or in a modifier? If you weren't shooting ETTL, I'd be interested in knowing how much power it took. I'm looking to do more outdoor portraits this summer and am deciding if I want to make my two 580's work or if I want to get portable power for my strobes. Either way, I think an ND filter is in my future.


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Apr 26, 2011 08:46 |  #27

One more thing, I am still puzzled little bit. If single flash can't do f16 in regular mode then even two flashes can't do that when in HSS mode. You loose almost 3 stops when going to HSS mode so adding 1 more flash won't gain that close to 3 stop drop. I wish blog was more clear into all this.


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Apr 26, 2011 08:46 |  #28

munzzzzzzz wrote in post #12294979 (external link)
Nice shots. Can you provide more info on your lighting setup? One or two speedlights? Bare, or in a modifier? If you weren't shooting ETTL, I'd be interested in knowing how much power it took. I'm looking to do more outdoor portraits this summer and am deciding if I want to make my two 580's work or if I want to get portable power for my strobes. Either way, I think an ND filter is in my future.

Sorry I was using AB800 with 5' octa for these.


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Apr 26, 2011 09:12 |  #29

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BobbyZ - can you give some insight into which ND filter you used? I think i'm suddenly in the market :)


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Apr 26, 2011 09:35 |  #30

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BobbyZ - can you give some insight into which ND filter you used? I think i'm suddenly in the market :)

It is B+W 3 stop ND filter. New ones are around $90 or so for 77mm size.


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