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Apr 26, 2011 09:34 |  #1
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I have been shooting outdoor sports with a 100-400mm is L lens and have been very satisfied with the results. I have tried to shoot indoors at an indoor soccer game and am not as satisfied. I have adjusted about everything and still get blur. What lens and/or additional equipment should I look into in order to shoot indoors? The lighting in the arena is about like a basketball gym using halogens. Thanks


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Apr 26, 2011 09:46 |  #2

Your distance from the action would figure into the equation. I have shot indoor soccer, but I was in the box with the players and didn't have to shoot through the glass sides.
Being that close to the action I used my primes (28mm 1.8 & 50mm 1.4). It was a total struggle trying to get the right lens since the action was too close and then too far away. I wish I had had my 17-55mm 2.8 at the time. That would have covered all the focal lengths I needed for that situation.

If you do any basketball from the stands, the 85mm 1.8 would be a good lens. If you are on the front row of the stands, then the 50mm would be better. Under the goal, a 28mm. I shot my last BB game from about the second row of the stands using my 17-55mm and it did a real good job as long as the action was on my end of the gym. On the other end, I could have used a 100mm better.

All the above is based on a crop sensor like the 7D. If you are shooting FF, all of that changes.

Hope all my rambling helps.


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Apr 26, 2011 09:53 |  #3

You should have a 2.8 or faster lens and a camera body that gets good results at ISO 3200 (or even higher).

Here is a shot at 300mm, f/2.8 1/1000, ISO 6400 Arena Football
The lighting will vary at different venues but it it usually pretty bad.

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Apr 26, 2011 09:55 |  #4

standard camera settings for indoor sports like basketball / volleyball, (assuming a standard HS gym) are: lens at f/2, shutter speed 1/640 (plenty fast enough for boys' HS basketball) and ISO 'up' until you have good exposure.

The gyms I shoot basketball in are anywhere from ISO 1600 in a VERY well-lit gym all the way up to ISO 4000 (which produces horrible results!) and standard is ISO 2500 which still produces good results.

That said, if you have a lens that opens to f/2.8 (like a 70-200 f/2.8L IS) your ISO setting would be higher to see 1/640 on shutter. If your 100-400 is an f/4 or higher, you can forget about getting meaningful shots indoors. The lens just isn't up to the task!

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Apr 26, 2011 09:56 |  #5
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Apr 26, 2011 09:57 |  #6

2.8 + faster lenses

This is 24-70L on a 5D Mark II

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Apr 26, 2011 10:00 as a reply to  @ BulldogBlue's post |  #7

The 100-400 L is way to slow for indoor sports...remember you need a minimum of 1/500 to stop the blurr.
You need a 2.8 lens or better. Even at 2.8 apt it is challenging depending all on lighting. Yo have to crank up the ISO..




  
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Apr 26, 2011 10:11 as a reply to  @ mark2009's post |  #8

I suggest you rent the 70-200 f2.8 MKII from Roger at LensRentals for 4 days and you will be a happy shooter. Bring along a light monopod to ease the weight but it works great shooting indoors on a relatively horizontal plane using the pod.

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Apr 26, 2011 10:16 |  #9

BulldogBlue wrote in post #12295243 (external link)
What lens and/or additional equipment should I look into in order to shoot indoors? The lighting in the arena is about like a basketball gym using halogens.

No different equipment is needed, as long as the camera body operates well at high ISO.
Examples of indoor event images from a Canon T2i:

IMAGE NOT FOUND
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


Focal Length: 235.0mm
Aperture: f/5.6
Exposure Time: 0.0020 s (1/500)
ISO equiv: 6400
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

IMAGE NOT FOUND
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


Focal Length: 110.0mm
Aperture: f/5.0
Exposure Time: 0.0031 s (1/320)
ISO equiv: 4000
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

IMAGE NOT FOUND
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


Focal Length: 320.0mm
Aperture: f/5.6
Exposure Time: 0.0040 s (1/250)
ISO equiv: 5000
Exposure Bias: +0.67 EV
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

The first two images came from a Canon 70-300mm IS USM lens, and the third image came from a Tokina 80-400mm lens.

A 70-200mm f/2.8 lens always is a welcome tool for circumstances such as the above, but the rise of camera bodies with good high ISO performance makes that kind of lens far less necessary.

Of course, noise reduction software (some of it free (external link)) can be useful in cases like these.



  
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Apr 26, 2011 11:51 as a reply to  @ DC Fan's post |  #10

What shutter speeds are you getting and what ISO are you shooting? An f/4 lens is a challenge indoors for sure, but if you can increase your ISO (at the expense of noise) you can increase your shutter speed to help with the blur. Some of the indoor places I shoot wouldn't allow me to shoot at f/4 unless I want to use ISO 12,800, which I don't. The gym I shot last night gave me 1/400th, f/2.0, and ISO 3200. Definitely not possible to use f/4 in a place like that and still get acceptable shots.


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