DPP and CS5 color differences

DPP has a great presentation of the RAW image that I'm working on but when I convert and save as JPEG > then open in CS5 is looks much different (not as good). Any idea on how to tweak CS5 for better color management?

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You might prefer the way the image looks in DPP, but if your monitor is calibrated or even if it isn't but the OS is using a profile installed by the monitor driver, PSCS is showing you the more accurate display. Change your DPP preferences to "Use the OS settings", which is what PSCS does automatically, and they will be on the same page and the editing you do in DPP will be displayed faithfully in other color managed applications like PSCS

In addition, when you save a file as Jpeg you're using a lossy compression. Each time you open and resave it again you're effecting the quality of the image.

If you don't mind me asking, why are you saving your files as a jpeg from DPP only to open the saved jpeg in CS5?

If you're going to use DPP vs ACR to perform preliminary adjustments such as color correction and noise reduction then don't convert to jpeg just to open into CS5 for further PP. If anything save it as a tiff. Or just "Save As" and keep it as a CR2 Raw; Then you can transfer into CS5 from DPP.

tkerr wrote in post #12321952
In addition, when you save a file as Jpeg you're using a lossy compression. Each time you open and resave it again you're effecting the quality of the image.

If you don't mind me asking, why are you saving your files as a jpeg from DPP only to open the saved jpeg in CS5?

If you're going to use DPP vs ACR to perform preliminary adjustments such as color correction and noise reduction then don't convert to jpeg just to open into CS5 for further PP. If anything save it as a tiff. Or just "Save As" and keep it as a CR2 Raw; Then you can transfer into CS5 from DPP.

I do this in a number of ways. Sometimes I go straight from RAW to Photoshop ACR but I'm unhappy with the way the images look when I make RAW adjustments in PS so I end up going back to DPP because I like the results better. If I could get PS configured correctly then I'd stick with it only.

tzalman wrote in post #12321739
You might prefer the way the image looks in DPP, but if your monitor is calibrated or even if it isn't but the OS is using a profile installed by the monitor driver, PSCS is showing you the more accurate display. Change your DPP preferences to "Use the OS settings", which is what PSCS does automatically, and they will be on the same page and the editing you do in DPP will be displayed faithfully in other color managed applications like PSCS

I changed it to use OS settings and you're right,... it changed it and it definitely changed the way the images look. Not for the better but.. I guess I need to buy a dang monitor calibration and stop trying to guess and configure my system into the proper color settings.

lankforddl wrote in post #12322014
I do this in a number of ways. Sometimes I go straight from RAW to Photoshop ACR but I'm unhappy with the way the images look when I make RAW adjustments in PS so I end up going back to DPP because I like the results better. If I could get PS configured correctly then I'd stick with it only.

I haven't had a problem with ACR myself, but that's not answering my question. The question was, why are you saving your files as jpeg in DPP only to open them up in CS5?

IOW why not just "Save As" CR2?
It's not necessary to convert to jpeg to save your adjustments from DPP. And since jpeg uses lossy compression that would be my last choice. Saving a file to jpeg is the last thing I do once all other edits/corrections have been done first.

Back to ACR, Have you either downloaded or set up your RAW and camera and lens profiles for ACR?

tkerr wrote in post #12322054
I haven't had a problem with ACR myself, but that's not answering my question. The question was, why are you saving your files as jpeg in DPP only to open them up in CS5?

IOW why not just "Save As" CR2?
It's not necessary to convert to jpeg to save your adjustments from DPP. And since jpeg uses lossy compression that would be my last choice. Saving a file to jpeg is the last thing I do once all other edits/corrections have been done first.

Back to ACR, Have you either downloaded or set up your RAW and camera and lens profiles for ACR?

ahhh, I got ya. I do save them as CR2 and open in ACR when I still have editing to do but I typically try to do all the editing in DPP and only use ACR only when I absolutely have to. The only reason I would convert to a jpeg is when its time to upload to flickr or share digitally. I always keep and save the CR2.

Yes. The camera/lens profiles were set up for ACR but I did just update to the latest. Thanks for all the input.

tkerr wrote in post #12322054
I haven't had a problem with ACR myself, but that's not answering my question. The question was, why are you saving your files as jpeg in DPP only to open them up in CS5?

IOW why not just "Save As" CR2?
It's not necessary to convert to jpeg to save your adjustments from DPP. And since jpeg uses lossy compression that would be my last choice. Saving a file to jpeg is the last thing I do once all other edits/corrections have been done first.

Back to ACR, Have you either downloaded or set up your RAW and camera and lens profiles for ACR?

Hang on -- you can't transfer a Raw edit from DPP to ACR in the CR2 format. You have to convert to an image format such as a tiff (or jpeg).

lankforddl wrote in post #12322152
ahhh, I got ya. I do save them as CR2 and open in ACR when I still have editing to do but I typically try to do all the editing in DPP and only use ACR only when I absolutely have to. The only reason I would convert to a jpeg is when its time to upload to flickr or share digitally. I always keep and save the CR2.

If you need to use the Photoshop editor, you can use the Transfer to Photoshop function -- it opens the image in Photoshop as a tiff that is temporary until you save it -- either as the tiff or Save As for a jpeg for a specific output.

As I said, you can't process a Raw file in DPP and then open the CR2 in ACR and have the DPP edits show. In ACR you will be starting all over again.

Select any Raw file and then Alt P, or under Tools select Transfer to Photoshop. You don't have to convert to tiff or jpeg first, it's automatic.
As soon as you Alt P or select transfer to Photoshop it will start Photoshop but first open your image in ACR. If you don't want to you don't have to do anything to your image using ACR. Just click Open Image and it will open it into Photoshop.

Any edits/corrections you do to a Raw image file are not applied no matter what software you use. The changes are only attached to a sidecar or embedded in the metadata.

In DPP after you have made adjustments to your image go to File and Save As. Down on the bottom of the Save As window choose Save As file type. RAW (*CR2). It will save a new copy of that picture with your edits/corrections. Then you can Alt P or Tool / Transfer to Photoshop and those changes will follow. When it opens it into ACR it is a temporary tiff, but there is still no need to go through unnecessary steps of converting to tiff or jpeg first.

On Edit:
Just to make Sure I performed some edits on an image, and Without doing a Save As first, and instead just Transfer to Photoshop, The changes I made in DPP did follow into ACR, as a temp tif file however.
If you want to open the new edited CR2 Raw file into ACR without it being converted to a temp Tiff, you will have to do that via Bridge or Photoshop, and your changes will still follow.

Great post. I learned something good here. Now if I can just remember all this.

tkerr wrote in post #12323116
Select any Raw file and then Alt P, or under Tools select Transfer to Photoshop. You don't have to convert to tiff or jpeg first, it's automatic.
As soon as you Alt P or select transfer to Photoshop it will start Photoshop but first open your image in ACR. If you don't want to you don't have to do anything to your image using ACR. Just click Open Image and it will open it into Photoshop.

Any edits/corrections you do to a Raw image file are not applied no matter what software you use. The changes are only attached to a sidecar or embedded in the metadata.

In DPP after you have made adjustments to your image go to File and Save As. Down on the bottom of the Save As window choose Save As file type. RAW (*CR2). It will save a new copy of that picture with your edits/corrections. Then you can Alt P or Tool / Transfer to Photoshop and those changes will follow. When it opens it into ACR it is a temporary tiff, but there is still no need to go through unnecessary steps of converting to tiff or jpeg first.

On Edit:
Just to make Sure I performed some edits on an image, and Without doing a Save As first, and instead just Transfer to Photoshop, The changes I made in DPP did follow into ACR, as a temp tif file however.
If you want to open the new edited CR2 Raw file into ACR without it being converted to a temp Tiff, you will have to do that via Bridge or Photoshop, and your changes will still follow.

I don't have PS to test your statement, but I find it very hard to believe. It certainly does not happen when a CR2 with saved DPP edits is opened in Lightroom. In fact it defies logic. You yourself say (correctly), "Any edits/corrections you do to a Raw image file are not applied no matter what software you use. The changes are only attached to a sidecar or embedded in the metadata." Those edits embedded by DPP are phrased in terms that are comprehensible to DPP but would be gobbledegook to ACR. DPP has Brightness that goes from -2.0 to +2.0 and ACR has Exposure that goes from -4.0 to +4.0 and Brightness that uses a scale of -150 to +150, so if a CR2 saved in DPP has an embedded edit of Brightness = -2.0, what does ACR do with it? Does it make Exposure -4.0 (that is, the minimum) or -2.0 or does it make Brightness -2? The answer is 'none of the above'. It treats the file as though it had never been opened (or created) in DPP and applies its usual default

I'd ask that you try it again, making some really extreme and easily seen edit in DPP, like Brightness -2.0 or WB 2500K on an outdoors shot to see if you can "open the new edited CR2 Raw file into ACR without it being converted to a temp Tiff..... and your changes will still follow."

tzalman wrote in post #12325916
I don't have PS to test your statement, but I find it very hard to believe. It certainly does not happen when a CR2 with saved DPP edits is opened in Lightroom. In fact it defies logic. You yourself say (correctly), "Any edits/corrections you do to a Raw image file are not applied no acrmatter what software you use. The changes are only attached to a sidecar or embedded in the metadata." Those edits embedded by DPP are phrased in terms that are comprehensible to DPP but would be gobbledegook to ACR. DPP has Brightness that goes from -2.0 to +2.0 and ACR has Exposure that goes from -4.0 to +4.0 and Brightness that uses a scale of -150 to +150, so if a CR2 saved in DPP has an embedded edit of Brightness = -2.0, what does ACR do with it? Does it make Exposure -4.0 (that is, the minimum) or -2.0 or does it make Brightness -2? The answer is 'none of the above'. It treats the file as though it had never been opened (or created) in DPP and applies its usual default

I'd ask that you try it again, making some really extreme and easily seen edit in DPP, like Brightness -2.0 or WB 2500K on an outdoors shot to see if you can "open the new edited CR2 Raw file into ACR without it being converted to a temp Tiff..... and your changes will still follow."

I do, and yes, you are 100% correct.

If you want to take a lossless file from DPP to photoshop, use TIFF or send to photoshop feature.

Though ACR/LR3 will read a few things from a CR2 file (white balance as shot will be read).

Both your DPP and PS settings are wrong.

René Damkot wrote in post #12327741
Both your DPP and PS settings are wrong.

pictures are so much easier to understand!. hehe. thanks for the input.

tzalman wrote in post #12321739
You might prefer the way the image looks in DPP, but if your monitor is calibrated or even if it isn't but the OS is using a profile installed by the monitor driver, PSCS is showing you the more accurate display. Change your DPP preferences to "Use the OS settings", which is what PSCS does automatically, and they will be on the same page and the editing you do in DPP will be displayed faithfully in other color managed applications like PSCS

Thank you very much for your reply, colour problem is now sorted, phew!