New Picture style by Technicolor

A new picture style, "Technicolor CineStyle", for Canon cameras here:

http://www.technicolor​.com …style/cinestyle​-downloads

And a review with examples here: http://www.youtube.com …Q&feature=playe​r_embedded

Looks interesting.

Yay! They just said it was delayed so this is unexpected.
I just loaded it onto my 7D and the difference in shadow detail and latitude is quite significant. It's bringing Canon cameras much closer to that coveted flat look of the log signals from high-end cine cameras.

Really pleased, thanks technicolour!

This shows the difference pretty well (un colour-corrected)
http://www.youtube.com …YEgE1304M&featu​re=related

just installed it

I'm excited to use it. Especially since I'm shooting a night scene this weekend.

Do you guys know what exactly the color correction look up table is used for that's downloaded with the picture style? I'm confused insofar as what it does and if it's necessary to actually grade your footage

The LUT S-Curve is not required but is designed to get the most dynamic range from your footage using the CS profile. What editing software do you use? some you can use the text file in a plug-in to just drop it right on your footage.

I made a Flickr group since there wasnt one that I could find and I really wanna see what kind of result people get, I am going to do a few test comparison shots tomorrow.

Flickr Group Here.

I'm using premiere CS5

Not too familiar with CS5 but here is the first thing I found for implementing LUT: http://help.adobe.com …3e3d124b7aa5f27​-8000.html

Just posted this as DVXuser, so I guess I'll just copy/paste.

A flat picture style like that is not always a good thing, a cine-style gamma is nice when you have leg room to play around with, but DLSRs only record 8-bit 4:2:0 which is woefully inadequate for heavy grading in post, which is what this will require.
The best course of action is usually to make a style that closest fits the finished look, so that only minor adjustments have to be made afterward, otherwise you'll just be risking artifacts, banding, etc. This is a pretty big deal, as even on high-end cameras like the Alexa, you would want to make sure everything looks right in-camera, because in the real world people try to avoid post-work as much as possible. This is why the Alexa has a Rec.709 mode, and it gets used more often than you think, I might add.

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #12331300
Just posted this as DVXuser, so I guess I'll just copy/paste.

A flat picture style like that is not always a good thing, a cine-style gamma is nice when you have leg room to play around with, but DLSRs only record 8-bit 4:2:0 which is woefully inadequate for heavy grading in post, which is what this will require.
The best course of action is usually to make a style that closest fits the finished look, so that only minor adjustments have to be made afterward, otherwise you'll just be risking artifacts, banding, etc. This is a pretty big deal, as even on high-end cameras like the Alexa, you would want to make sure everything looks right in-camera, because in the real world people try to avoid post-work as much as possible. This is why the Alexa has a Rec.709 mode, and it gets used more often than you think, I might add.

Agreed on this having significant downsides with 4:2:0 recording. But before you make any edits you should convert into a 4:2:2 or 4:4:4, which obviously is still not ideal since it is a conversion, but it will SIGNIFICANTLY limit negative repercussions of grading and color correction. The RED cam (while it does record RAW or directly into either 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 depending on set-up) has a very flat and wide spectrum to allow for heavy grading color correction.

I am a big fan of the new profile for 2 reasons, 1: the great range you can get when you color grade, where as if you did any color grading before beyond minor changes, even in ProRes 422, you would get artifacting or banding. and 2: The black tones even in neutral setting, were always solid black, there were no shades of grey. This gives you a ton more latitude to recover detail from darker scenes, some detail you couldn't get at all before, and then just keeping the detail you already had much cleaner when you grade the footage.

That being said, don't use this unless you either want a very flat looking image, or plan on carefully color grading it (the supplied LUT curve does do a lot of the work for you if you just want to quickly regain a more finished spectrum).

natums wrote in post #12337845
Agreed on this having significant downsides with 4:2:0 recording. But before you make any edits you should convert into a 4:2:2 or 4:4:4, which obviously is still not ideal since it is a conversion, but it will SIGNIFICANTLY limit negative repercussions of grading and color correction. The RED cam (while it does record RAW or directly into either 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 depending on set-up) has a very flat and wide spectrum to allow for heavy grading color correction.

I am a big fan of the new profile for 2 reasons, 1: the great range you can get when you color grade, where as if you did any color grading before beyond minor changes, even in ProRes 422, you would get artifacting or banding. and 2: The black tones even in neutral setting, were always solid black, there were no shades of grey. This gives you a ton more latitude to recover detail from darker scenes, some detail you couldn't get at all before, and then just keeping the detail you already had much cleaner when you grade the footage.

That being said, don't use this unless you either want a very flat looking image, or plan on carefully color grading it (the supplied LUT curve does do a lot of the work for you if you just want to quickly regain a more finished spectrum).

Agreed, when I plan to shoot with the cinestyle log profile I'll be sure to convert to a 10-bit 422 colourspace, using cineform. You're still stuck with the lossy 8-bit file, but grading a 422 conversion is still better than working on the 4.2.0 original.
Hopefuly It won't be too long before Canon let you choose between a 10-bit 422 log signal output and a compressed rec709 format. Obviously both have their uses.

i have a superflat picture style on there right now, and am thinking of throwing this on there for a test run. what picture style do you guys shoot during the day? i'm a total newb at color correcting but ready to learn with my next vid that i shoot. should i be shooting superflat/tech cinestyle during the day? just my own 0, -2, -4, 0? standard?

@Robtk the Cinestyle profile is intended specifically for color grading, so if you plan on color correcting, there is no better alternative IMO. I am currently using AWB in most situations since I plan to make minor changes in post anyway.

Michael,
Download red giants free lut buddy to load the profile:
http://www.redgiantsof​tware.com/downloads/fr​ee-products/

I'm going to test some more tonight. I was still getting a slight grey in the midtones of skin.

Cineform dropped their prices, but my guess is that the next version of PP will have first light type controls built in. Just make sure in after effects you set it to 16 or 32 bit, I noticed a difference.

natums wrote in post #12341210
@Robtk the Cinestyle profile is intended specifically for color grading, so if you plan on color correcting, there is no better alternative IMO. I am currently using AWB in most situations since I plan to make minor changes in post anyway.

ok, so unless i plan on color correcting in post, i shouldn't be using flat. i got that. if i'm recording in daylight, no issue of dynamic range, custom wb set - should i shoot standard or neutral?

am i better off just shooting flat/cinestyle in daylight regardless, and doing some color correcting?

I say use CineStyle, I haven't personally seen, or heard of any downsides from using a flatter spectrum, outside of the necessity to grade in post. That way, when in daylight and you have shadows and dont want to lose detail in them, you have no issues holding that detail. Where as if you shot in daylight wit standard, or even possibly neutral, you might have parts of the shadows completely blacked out and unrecoverable. And the opposite still applies, you can crush blacks if you dont want them anyway, along with any other contrasty advantages from the other profiles.

nevermind