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Apr 30, 2011 23:57 |  #16

yeah, shotgun and juicedlink box. I think the juicedlink box will ship with all the cables you need, but if it's missing the box->camera cable, a standard 1/8"TRS to 1/8"TRS (like a headphone extension cable with male ends on both ends) will be all you need.

Also, juicedlink has a ton of videos on their site that will answer most of your questions if you dig around. Good for examples, too. http://www.juicedlink.​com/audio-tutorial-videos (external link)


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May 01, 2011 00:05 as a reply to  @ Chippy569's post |  #17

any chance in downloading a really good audio theme fx gratis?:lol:



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May 01, 2011 00:07 |  #18

uhh, not sure what you mean by that, but probably no. Also, watch this (not mine) http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=nBkZaA4_06w (external link)


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May 01, 2011 01:21 |  #19

Chippy is my hero. I swear to god you're the resident go-to audio guy in this section of the forum. I see you answering audio questions every day (including when I had mine)

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May 01, 2011 07:54 |  #20

gibsonla wrote in post #12325459 (external link)
Chippy is my hero. I swear to god you're the resident go-to audio guy in this section of the forum. I see you answering audio questions every day (including when I had mine)

keep on rockin on =)

bw!
he deserves some kind of award. maybe chief resident title?



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May 01, 2011 08:24 as a reply to  @ Autonomous's post |  #21

I accept b&h gift cards :P


Joking, mostly :P


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May 01, 2011 11:46 |  #22

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so i have a project coming up, and i think i would need a decent audio equipment to pair it up with my 7D. what do i need? shot gun or lavalier?
i don't even know what these are, i just heard a lot of it lol.
i appreciate your time and your help for helping a fellow newbie:eek::o

If you are shooting interviews then you might consider utilizing a standard interview microphone like the Electro-Voice RE-50 or the industry standard 635A/B, the B is preferred as it is matt-black and that reduces glare.

Both of those microphones have excellent clarity and a good dynamic range and both are Omni-directional which in an interview is desirable as in a stand-up interview it keeps the interviewer from having to wag the microphone back and forth between the interviewer and the person being interviewed as the question are being asked and answered, they both have excellent internal shock mounting which eliminates handling noise and they are dynamic which doesn’t require power and being dynamic they can take a real beating and still operate I have seen “talent” literally drop them to the ground after completing a report and then walk away with the most damage to the microphone being a slightly dented windscreen or a scuff in the finish. Also since they do not require power and utilize the industry standard male XLR versus a 3.5mm connector they are easily converted to a wireless microphone by plugging a mini-brick transmitter to the connector on the bottom.

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This photograph is an example of a well worn EV RE-50 being used in an interview with a mini-brick wireless transmitter attached which is feeding the wireless receiver of the cam on the left.

The really nice thing about them is there are literally millions of them in the field as such they can be picked up used for a very good price, I have bought EV 635’s in good condition for as low as $35 in pawn shops.

If you are doing sit down interviews then you can take either of them and place them in a desk stand and you are good to go.

The next most common microphone for that type of work is the lavalier which is a small clip on microphone usually attached to the person being interviewed lapel or blouse, these microphones are a bit more pricy but provide a more intimate sound. They are a staple of the news and television broadcast business and in the studio are normally used in conjunction with an out of the cameras field of view shotgun microphone mounted to a boom pole.

The largest problem with a lav is wiring the person to be interviewed, the normal procedure with a person wearing a jacket is to clip the mike to the lapel on the jacket and then snake the cable below the arm and around the back where it will be connected to a XLR cable to the camera or mixer or to a wireless transmitter clipped to the rear of the pants or belt, without a jacket things get a bit more touchy as the cable will need to be snaked under the persons shirt which with guys is relatively simple you drop the XLR connector on the mike cord down the front of the shirt open a couple of lower buttons and move the connector to the side and then pull the shirt out of the pants and using your other hand from the rear reach in and around grabbing the connector to pull it out the back, then you tuck the shirt back into the pants and connect up.

With a female though it can be a bit more problematic more so if she has never been mic’ed as unbuttoning her blouse and pulling the back of her blouse out of her skirt and reaching in with your hands to grab the connector can produce a “what the hell do you think you are doing” moment and it is even worse when the female is endowed as the connector can get hung up in or on her bra requiring either her or the sound guy to reach down the front of her blouse and re-route the connector. Now I have wired hundreds of women and the pros will either wire themselves or just stand there reading their copy while you run one hand around and up from the back with the other hand sometimes going down the front the bra to guide the connector.

Now it would seem the simple solution when dealing with non-professionals would be to give them the lav and have them go to the men’s or ladies room and wire themselves but if you do sooner not later the person will come back with the lav and cord in one hand and the connector in the other commenting this thing came off of the cord and if you don’t have a spare lav on hand your pooch is screwed.

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This photograph depicts a typical lav application with the microphone attached to the talents lapel and the cord being dropped under his jacket to the ground to a XLR cable leading back to a mixer.

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This is with the talents jacket buttoned up.

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Another example with the cord dropped on the talents right to the ground

And last but not least is the shotgun which if camera mounted will work but is a compromise as it will not only pickup the person being interviewed but everything behind them and will not properly pick up both the person asking the questions and the person answering them unless wagged, the solution is to use a off camera boom pole in the hands of a sound guy who can keep the shotgun overhead and pointed down toward the people (if the surface below is not acoustically hard) or below and up if it is, the sound guy will also need a belt mounted amp or mixer and headphones to hear what he is doing to maximize the directivity of the shotgun and get the sweetest sound.

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In this photo the sound guy is doing double duty holding a reflector in his left hand providing a fill light and a shotgun on a short pole (not visable) with his right hand which is fed to his field mixer providing audio for his headphones and from there is wireless to a receiver on the camcorder, note the audio guy has the shotgun low aiming up as the surface below is acoustically hard.

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May 01, 2011 12:08 |  #23

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uhh, not sure what you mean by that, but probably no. Also, watch this (not mine) http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=nBkZaA4_06w (external link)

That lav he used sounds like crap.

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May 01, 2011 12:09 |  #24

Autonomous wrote in post #12325216 (external link)
yeah, i'll stick with the shotgun for now. again thank you so much, you are definitely the best! it'll suffice with just that right?

Personally for an interview a shotgun would be my last choice, too directive too much background pickup and too prone to handling noise unless used with suspension mounting.

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May 01, 2011 13:41 |  #25

Channel One wrote in post #12327353 (external link)
Personally for an interview a shotgun would be my last choice, too directive too much background pickup and too prone to handling noise unless used with suspension mounting.

Wayne

omg.. and i had my heart set on chippy's recommendation and now this. i am so confused lol. i'll have you know that my project's isn't all "professional" like it has to be perfect the way it is in film industry. decent is enough for me.
p.s. i didn't understand a thing you said, since its this plug to that and produces this that, and picks up this that is all i read. lol.



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May 01, 2011 14:43 |  #26

Autonomous wrote in post #12327750 (external link)
p.s. i didn't understand a thing you said, since its this plug to that and produces this that, and picks up this that is all i read. lol.

The wiring is very simple (it has to be or I couldn't do it) interview microphone to XLR extension cord to jucedlink to camera wala, instant profesional interview setup.

If you really want to impress the neighbors buy a microphone flag put some colorful graphics on it say ANS (Autonomous News Service) slide it on your interview microphone and go for that Pulitzer Prize. ;-)a

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May 01, 2011 15:10 as a reply to  @ Channel One's post |  #27

so you're saying instead of shotgun buy that wireless mic instead?



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May 01, 2011 15:31 |  #28

Autonomous wrote in post #12328149 (external link)
so you're saying instead of shotgun buy that wireless mic instead?

While a wireless is nice but expensive a wired microphone will do the job just fine.

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May 01, 2011 15:33 |  #29

Channel One wrote in post #12327350 (external link)
That lav he used sounds like crap.

Wayne

agreed.


also, while wayne's setup might be more acoustically optimal, you're going to have that microphone in the shot. You have to decide if that's OK or not. For most people, it's not.


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May 01, 2011 16:28 |  #30

Chippy569 wrote in post #12328240 (external link)
you're going to have that microphone in the shot. You have to decide if that's OK or not. For most people, it's not.

If one doesn't want a microphone in the shot then the lav is the way to go or get an assistant to work a boom held shotgun.

And yes with a good quality shotgun it is possible to get good audio if your sound guy keeps the microphone aimed correctly.

Last year we had to crank out in a run and gun fashion a number of political ads for a local candidate running for Congress and while I would have preferred to lav the players it was not possible due to time constraints.

This was shot in a typical office and the audio guy properly held the boom mounted microphone low aiming up allowing the acoustical ceiling to absorb the background noise echo etc allowing the speakers voice to be heard clearly.

Had we used a camera mounted shotgun the rear wall (hard drywall) would have hosed the audio.

The link is an outtake of one of the clips in which one can get an idea of what a decent (AKG) shotgun is capable of.

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=K8DT05W4gq0 (external link)

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