Had a clueless guy accuse me of taking away his business

airfrogusmc wrote in post #12334970
Can you read?

Do you want to be the say the wedding photographer that uses the volume plan (walmart) and because of his pricing he has to book 100 weddings a year to make it work or do you want to be the guy that books 25 weddings a year and makes more than the guy shooting 100 wedding a year? Who's the smart guy?

Your under the impression that the volume shooters are making less than the "smart" Photographers. There are many options to avoid burnout. Hiring additional Photographers as Gene Ho did. He isn't the highest priced wedding photographer. He does a massive volume but started out ticking all other wedding photogs with his pricing.

Or as Zack Arias stated in his seminar, he stated he used to shoot bands for $250. He got overwhelmed with business. He went up on his prices (something y'all say can't be done). He went to $350. To $450. Now, he is $2500 a day. So don't tell me it can't be done.

Can I read? You never responded to whether your as high as zack Arias, if not, your cheaping out the pro's. Period. There is always someone higher. your as guilty as the ones your calling out. If your such a stickler on pricing, why are you not charging like the pro's?

cbknight wrote in post #12335061
Your under the impression that the volume shooters are making less than the "smart" Photographers. There are many options to avoid burnout. Hiring additional Photographers as Gene Ho did. He isn't the highest priced wedding photographer. He does a massive volume.

Or as Zack Arias stated in his seminar, he stated he used to shoot bands for $250. He got overwhelmed with business. He went up on his prices (something y'all say can't be done). He went to $350. To $450. Now, he is $2500 a day. So don't tell me it can't be done.

Can I read? You never responded to whether your as high as zack Arias if not, your cheeping out the pro's. Period. There is always someone higher. your as guilty as the ones your calling out. If your such a stickler on pricing, why are you not charging like the pro's?

I didn't say the were making less I said they weren't working as smart.

I guess it all boils down to do you want to get hired for your price or your talent, creativity and vision. I went for the later.

My prices are mine and my clients business but I will tell you this his prices are not all that high or out of line and I can also tell you this there are many commercial shooters in this area making a lot more. YOU?

airfrogusmc wrote in post #12335089
I didn't say the were making less I said they weren't working as smart.

I guess it all boils down to do you want to get hired for your price or your talent, creativity and vision. I went for the later.

My prices are mine and my clients business but I will tell you this his prices are not all that high or out of line and I can also tell you this there are many commercial shooters in this are making a lot more. YOU?

Didn't say his prices were out of line. I'm saying if your as highly professional as your stating, your not in line with the other pro's. You didn't answer twice, so your not. Practice what you preach

I never said I was a pro. But I am hired for my creativity. Hear it every day. When/if I want to go up on my prices I will. That's my prerogative and not your business. I suggest you tend to yours.

cbknight wrote in post #12335115
Didn't say his prices were out of line. I'm saying if your as highly professional as your stating, your not in line with the other pro's. You didn't answer twice, so your not. Practice what you preach

I never said I was a pro. But I am hired for my creativity. Hear it every day. When/if I want to go up on my prices I will. That's my prerogative and not your business. I suggest you tend to yours.

I do practice what I preach, I am in line with other high end pros in fact more expensive than most that shoot what I do.

Again I said those that have no or little value for what they create. Never mentioned or called out anyone in particular but those that have little or no value for what they create.

But less than some. Why?

cbknight wrote in post #12335152
But less than some. Why?

So I can make you feel better about yourself

airfrogusmc wrote in post #12335177
So I can make you feel better about yourself

Now knowing you, I am the Man!!

Thanks for proving my case. Some are higher and some are lower. Exactly where I stand. You do it your way and I will do it mine. But the truth is obvious. We can't always be at the top. When you are, let me know. Till you show me where volume sales are proven to be not profitable, you have no case. You have a theory. An opinion. That's all.

Go to the pro forums. I'm sure the pro's here appreciated that.

cbknight wrote in post #12335210
Now knowing you, I am the Man!!

Thanks for proving my case. Some are higher and some are lower. Exactly where I stand. You do it your way and I will do it mine. But the truth is obvious. We can't always be at the top. When you are, let me know. Till you show me where volume sales are proven to be not profitable, you have no case. You have a theory. An opinion. That's all.

What are you reading? I never said volume wasn't profitable. I did say the smart guy was the guy that could do less volume and make more money. I guess after 25 years its not a theory. But thats worked for me and I've never said it was right or wrong for anyone else. What I did say was there are many photographers that have little or no value for what they create. That has not changed. I guess again its do you want to get hired for your price or what you create?

Yeah you're right no need for pros that have actually been doing it and doing it well for years or their experience and advise we got you here. LoL

airfrogusmc wrote in post #12335267
What are you reading? I never said volume wasn't profitable. I did say the smart guy was the guy that could do less volume and make more money. I guess after 25 years its not a theory. But thats worked for me and I've never said it was right or wrong for anyone else. What I did say was there are many photographers that have little or no value for what they create. That has not changed. I guess again its do you want to get hired for your price or what you create?

What are you reading? Already answered that question.

Your not advising. Your belittling. So take it elsewhere.

Whooooo weeeeee, talk about only having an opinion, that doesn't count.

Good thing some have RR income, or they couldn't pay there bills and the IRS, shesh.

One track mind often derails, what would the power plant do then.

2 years earlier asking the pros for help, now telling them there opinions don't count and where they can go or not go.

cbknight wrote in post #12335289
What are you reading? Already answered that question.

Only if you are someone that has little value for what they create. I guess with the defensive attitude that would be.......

For me, personally, to print 8x10 on a Pro Platinum using Pixma Pro9000 MII the cost is about $1 per sheet. So if I sell it for $2 - that's 100% on the supplies.

The OP is from Detroit, so good luck finding the "desperate housewives" that would spend $50 on a picture of their kid playing yet another weekend game. Maybe on a special occasion, but the guy is lucky to be selling week in and week out, lower prices or not.

TopHatMoments wrote in post #12335298
Whooooo weeeeee, talk about only having an opinion, that doesn't count.

Good thing some have RR income, or they couldn't pay there bills and the IRS, shesh.

One track mind often derails, what would the power plant do then.

2 years earlier asking the pros for help, now telling them there opinions don't count and where they can go or not go.

Still ask pro's for help. Just choosy which ones I listen to. As for RR income. Yes. I have plenty of it. 22 years worth and it's substantial. My choice. My life. Don't think I mentioned anything you said. But I can.

atlrus wrote in post #12335310
The OP is from Detroit, so good luck finding the "desperate housewives" that would spend $50 on a picture of their kid playing yet another weekend game. Maybe on a special occasion, but the guy is lucky to be selling week in and week out, lower prices or not.

Didn't I and everyone else in North America have to help bail out the smart folks of Motown, when their beloved auto industry couldn't stay afloat due to bad business practices?