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May 06, 2011 18:00 |  #1

Today, I got rid of my Manfrotto 055XPROB tripod with a 498RC2 ballhead (waaaay to heavy) so I need to find a new tripod.
I'm pretty bent on getting the Feisol 3441T or the Feisol 3441S (I'm 6' but I think the 3441S will be plenty but whatever). I just need to find a good ballhead to go with the 3441 but I need one that is small enough so that the 3441 can close properly.

How would the Q3T compare against the Photoclam 33NS and the BH-30 LR?
Any other suggestions?


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May 06, 2011 18:08 |  #2

Another Photoclam to consider is the 34NS, which has a 50mm base diameter, similar to the Q3t. If money isn't an issue, then I'd just go with the Q3t, as the ball head diameter is larger.


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May 06, 2011 18:54 |  #3

If you're on a budget, take a look at the HorusBennu FX-34Q
http://cgi.ebay.com …ain_0&hash=item​45f8f6c52a (external link)

It's a lot nicer than you'd think for the price and fits pretty much the same tripods that the q3t will. I replaced the quick release since I wasn't too fond of that but I'm pleasantly surprised with the head. If money isn't an issue, I can't say I'd choose it over the Q3T or BH-30 though...


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May 06, 2011 19:08 |  #4

BzBrian wrote in post #12361509 (external link)
How would the Q3T compare against the Photoclam 33NS and the BH-30 LR?

Get the Markins Q3T; it has a ball diameter of 38mm vs 33mm and 30mm for the other two.


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May 07, 2011 09:57 |  #5

peter_n wrote in post #12361776 (external link)
Get the Markins Q3T; it has a ball diameter of 38mm vs 33mm and 30mm for the other two.

The ball diameter determines the stability of the ball head. That's what the others don't match up to the Markins Q3T for travel sticks.


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May 07, 2011 12:26 |  #6

The Photo Clam PC-40N/NS (40mm ball diameter), and all three Pro Gold II models (38mm ball diameter) all fit within the reverse folded legs of the CT-3441T.

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Jun 08, 2011 16:08 |  #7

Kerry-
I saw in this other thread that ballheads up to the PC-40N (57.5mm) or even the CB-40 (59mm) fit whereas the PC-44N (63mm) splays a bit.

So (assuming the knobs are in the right place) anything with the panning base diameter <59 mm should fit? Will narrower panning bases allow it to fold even more compactly? i.e., will a Markins Q3 Emille fit just fine (at 56mm) or is there an advantage to the Q3T (50mm)

BTW, what is the width of the center column top plate?

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Jun 08, 2011 18:33 |  #8

Sean A wrote in post #12559406 (external link)
Kerry-
I saw in this other threadthat ballheads up to the PC-40N (57.5mm) or even the CB-40 (59mm) fit whereas the PC-44N (63mm) splays a bit.

So (assuming the knobs are in the right place) anything with the panning base diameter <59 mm should fit? Will narrower panning bases allow it to fold even more compactly? i.e., will a Markins Q3 Emille fit just fine (at 56mm) or is there an advantage to the Q3T (50mm)

Sean,

With the PC-40N/NS installed (base diameter 57.5mm), the reverse folded legs of the CT-3441T splay outward a VERY tiny bit. Most people, unless they meaured it, would probably consider the revere folded legs parallel at that point and not notice the very slight outward splaying.

With the CB-40D (59mm base diameter) installed, most people would probably notice the splaying, but not find it excessive.

With the PC-44NS installed (63mm base diameter), the outweard splaying of the reverse folded legs is quite obvious, but the tripod and ballhead still easily fit within the included tripod bag.

If you keep the base diameter to no more than 57.5mm, there really isn't much space savings to be had with a smaller ballhead. The foot tips will be closer together (splayed inward, I guess), but unless you have an odd shaped camera bag/backpack/suitcase, you won't really save any significant space.

Sean A wrote in post #12559406 (external link)
BTW, what is the width of the center column top plate?

I'm out of the office right now, but off the top of my head, I thinks it's 44mm in diameter. I'll double check by taking an actual measurement later tonight and report back.

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Jun 08, 2011 18:56 |  #9

Thanks Kerry. So basically all of the heads will "overlap" the column top plate. No biggie.




  
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Jun 08, 2011 21:11 |  #10

Sean A wrote in post #12560186 (external link)
Thanks Kerry. So basically all of the heads will "overlap" the column top plate. No biggie.

Sean,

My memory was faulty. The actual diameter of the top plate on the CT-3441T center column is 40mm.

Yes, the ballhead will be larger in diameter than the base of the ballhead.

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Jun 09, 2011 01:35 |  #11

I purchased the Kirk BH-3 and have been very pleased with it's performance....much better than my 496rc.


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Jun 09, 2011 01:55 |  #12

tvphotog wrote in post #12364585 (external link)
The ball diameter determines the stability of the ball head. That's what the others don't match up to the Markins Q3T for travel sticks.

trying to understand ball heads... so does that mean, the bigger the diameter, the more stable?


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Jun 09, 2011 06:42 |  #13

kingdavidd wrote in post #12562088 (external link)
trying to understand ball heads... so does that mean, the bigger the diameter, the more stable?

The larger the ball, the more stable against drooping of a heavy lens on the body of thhe camera. Sometimes, the price you pay is a larger housing that prevents tight alignment of the inverted legs. I think the Q3t is the best combination of a decent sized ball with a 50mm base on the housing.

As Kerry says, if you don't mind having the inverted legs splayed out, you can have whatever sized base you want. MY preference is to have the legs parallel to each other when inverted, rather than have them at a much wider diameter around the head compared to the base end of the inverted tripod. I pack my tripod in checked luggage as I travel abroad, and the tighter the packing, the better for me.

Take a look at the photos of the closed legs in my Feisol 3441T review and you'll see what I mean.


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Jun 09, 2011 09:49 |  #14

kingdavidd wrote in post #12562088 (external link)
trying to understand ball heads... so does that mean, the bigger the diameter, the more stable?

Yes, but you also get much smoother operation when the friction is adjusted to the sweet spot - particularly useful with heavier lenses. So the trade-off is balancing the desire for the biggest diameter possible against (in the case of a travel tripod) the legs folding parallel to the center column so that the tripod packs away conveniently.

The pic below shows a Photo Clam PC-33NS on a Benro C2680T tripod. The PC-33NS has a ball diameter of 33mm. The Benro has large diameter leg sections but because of the width of its lower main casting they remain parallel to the center column. The outside diameter of the ballhead panning base (the bulge at the bottom of the ballhead) is 50mm which is generally considered the maximum width for the legs to fold back properly. The Markins Q3T also has a max diameter of 50mm on its housings but the ball diameter is 38mm, one of the reasons why it's generally considered one of the best travel ballheads.


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Oct 05, 2011 20:00 |  #15

Jens, Welcome to POTN!

The Q3t was designed with a smaller diameter base so that the inverted folded legs of the Gitzo 1541t or the Feisol 3441t will sit closer to the ballhead. That's the only difference bet the Q3 and the Q3t.

Look at my review of this same combination


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