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May 10, 2011 17:06 |  #46

Nathan wrote in post #12385198 (external link)
I hate seeing members being forced to be put on the defensive.

You and I both. I know I made a few mistakes how I may have handled it, but in the heat of the moment it's hard to think clearly. Nobody seems to understand that.


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May 10, 2011 17:17 |  #47

TattooedAffliction wrote in post #12385237 (external link)
You and I both. I know I made a few mistakes how I may have handled it, but in the heat of the moment it's hard to think clearly. Nobody seems to understand that.

I agree completely, in the heat of the moment that it is very hard to remain composed, especially when you know you are right (which I agree that you were). The problem for me is however you handled that exchange will stick in the memory of both the police and firefighters. So the next time they come across a photog they may roll their eyes and feel like here comes another tool with a camera because of their previous experiences.

We should not have to deal with harassment but when it happens (I fully believe it does) harassing an authority in return is NEVER going to help anyone in the photog community.


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May 10, 2011 17:26 as a reply to  @ CTP's post |  #48

Perhaps you're original post didn't make it very obvious you were there as a photojournalist. My thoughts go out to the victims family for such a senseless crime.


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May 10, 2011 17:28 |  #49

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I agree completely, in the heat of the moment that it is very hard to remain composed, especially when you know you are right (which I agree that you were). The problem for me is however you handled that exchange will stick in the memory of both the police and firefighters. So the next time they come across a photog they may roll their eyes and feel like here comes another tool with a camera because of their previous experiences.

We should not have to deal with harassment but when it happens (I fully believe it does) harassing an authority in return is NEVER going to help anyone in the photog community.

Yeah, I agree. I screwed up somewhat with how it was handled, but what's done is done, I can only move on and learn from my mistake. It was my first run in of this type with an authority figure, and I'll be honest, I was scared so I kind of panicked a bit, but still tried my best to remain calm.

I just hope nobody here harbors any negative feelings towards me because of this thread. I love this site and all the helpful members. I don't want that to change.


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May 10, 2011 17:43 as a reply to  @ TattooedAffliction's post |  #50

I for one would like to thank the OP for sticking his preverbal neck out and both exposing his emotions along with professional instinct. The entire thread is amusing as what should have been a simple matter of photographers question of rights ended up boiling down to a discussion of individualistic moral interpretation.

No one has made a single legitimate claim that what the OP did was legally incorrect; many choose however to impose their moral viewpoint of the situation and perform armchair quarterback analysis of the situation. He was the only one that was there in the moment. For anyone to judge him using their personal moral compass is no different then what the Paparazzi do.

Thank you for having the courage to stick up for your rights and the rights of others; but mostly the courage to publicly expose your situation to the members of the forums.


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May 10, 2011 18:07 |  #51

TattooedAffliction wrote in post #12385344 (external link)
Yeah, I agree. I screwed up somewhat with how it was handled, but what's done is done, I can only move on and learn from my mistake. It was my first run in of this type with an authority figure, and I'll be honest, I was scared so I kind of panicked a bit, but still tried my best to remain calm.

I just hope nobody here harbors any negative feelings towards me because of this thread. I love this site and all the helpful members. I don't want that to change.

For taking the time to write this, well done to you sir. You have shown that you are a far better man than most.

Huge props to you and if you are ever in the chicago area, beers on me. And then we can go take pictures of O'Hare airport and see what happens :evil:


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May 10, 2011 18:37 |  #52

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For taking the time to write this, well done to you sir. You have shown that you are a far better man than most.

Huge props to you and if you are ever in the chicago area, beers on me. And then we can go take pictures of O'Hare airport and see what happens :evil:

Thank you!

I hardly ever travel, but I'll definitely take you up on that offer if I'm ever out that way. The airport outing should be interesting to say the least :lol:


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May 10, 2011 19:13 |  #53
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if you edited the first post you could save yourself some frustration, I too originally read it thinking you were just some wack job wanting pics of dead girls. The photojournalist bit would be good to add.


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May 10, 2011 19:15 |  #54

TattooedAffliction wrote in post #12385344 (external link)
Yeah, I agree. I screwed up somewhat with how it was handled, but what's done is done, I can only move on and learn from my mistake. It was my first run in of this type with an authority figure, and I'll be honest, I was scared so I kind of panicked a bit, but still tried my best to remain calm.

I just hope nobody here harbors any negative feelings towards me because of this thread. I love this site and all the helpful members. I don't want that to change.

MannNNNnnn you do not need to apologize to no one on this forum. PFFttTTTsss.
My opinion is just like your opinion. Perspective of how we view things. I'm not apologizing for anything that I say, if people don't like it. OH well....sad for them. Deal with it.
I'm not here to kiss anyones arse and neither should you be.

With that said,if I was that cop and you got in my face like that pulling out that bologna line of freedom to photograph anywhere I would have tazered you in the neck and then taken your camera gear to the local pawn shop for beer and donut money bw!


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May 10, 2011 20:28 |  #55

This brings up a different question for me - and it is likely very U.S.A. specific. There's been lots of discussion about photographer's rights in situations like these. What hasn't been mentioned is that first responders are bound by HIPPA and are legally obligated take reasonable precautions to protect the privacy of patients. I don't know if police are bound by HIPPA as well.

It would be interesting to know how the photographer's rights to photograph from and on public property interact with first responders legal obligations to protect privacy of patients in situations like that.

It almost seems like both sides in an incident like the above might be acting out their rights and legal obligations...


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May 10, 2011 20:33 |  #56

Why would you want to take pics of the this poor girl who has lost her life.


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May 10, 2011 20:58 |  #57

You might have all the rights in the world but why spend time arguing with the morons enforcing a law they have no clue about. Write or make a phone call to your local commissioners and let them know about the incident and file a complaint with the police department but I think doing all that will more than likely get you nowhere. No they can't force you to delete the photos or take the camera from you but you must realize that many police officers are in a very corrupted environment and will probably do what they can if they know they can get away with it and then deny it to the end, then it will be your word against theirs..... guess who's going to win unless you have good proof of the incident and that you were in all your rights?


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May 10, 2011 20:59 |  #58

EDIT: Nevermind...not the place for it...


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May 10, 2011 21:10 |  #59

The Framed Life wrote in post #12385855 (external link)
if you edited the first post you could save yourself some frustration, I too originally read it thinking you were just some wack job wanting pics of dead girls. The photojournalist bit would be good to add.

Agreed.

I live near you, just by chance.

You do realize that the police can decide that your presence is hammering an investigation or that your activity is causing a safety risk, then remove you, right?


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May 10, 2011 21:19 |  #60

The Framed Life wrote in post #12385855 (external link)
if you edited the first post you could save yourself some frustration, I too originally read it thinking you were just some wack job wanting pics of dead girls. The photojournalist bit would be good to add.

Done. I think that's worded a bit better and more accurately depicts what transpired.


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