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Would you call a 60D a super rebel?

 
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May 25, 2011 13:38 |  #196
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I don't think a 60D is a mid-level camera anymore. Not after they released the 50D, which was a first step towards diminishing the xxD line. The 40D was once a flagship camera for professionals/serious amateurs. It was used for everything: weddings, sports, e.t.c. With the release of 50D and 7D almost at the same time, and the lack of major improvements on the 50D body, I personally stopped looking at xxD series as anything but a rebel in a megnesium body. But even then: Canon releases a 60D in a plastic body! Come on. My rebel XSi used to have the same small body as 60D. It is supposed to compete with Nikon D7k. Having owned both, I can tell that D7k is a much...much better camera than 60D in every aspect: high-ISO noise, 39pt AF, body built, e.t.c. 60D is the only winner with a swivel screen. Anyways, it does feel like a rebel. And it acts like one with only few more FPS. Everything else is the same. In fact, I'd consider buying a T3i before I get the 60D.


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May 25, 2011 13:39 |  #197

Yes. Noob camera.




  
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May 25, 2011 14:08 |  #198

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I don't think a 60D is a mid-level camera anymore. Not after they released the 50D, which was a first step towards diminishing the xxD line. The 40D was once a flagship camera for professionals/serious amateurs. It was used for everything: weddings, sports, e.t.c. With the release of 50D and 7D almost at the same time, and the lack of major improvements on the 50D body, I personally stopped looking at xxD series as anything but a rebel in a megnesium body. But even then: Canon releases a 60D in a plastic body! Come on. My rebel XSi used to have the same small body as 60D. It is supposed to compete with Nikon D7k. Having owned both, I can tell that D7k is a much...much better camera than 60D in every aspect: high-ISO noise, 39pt AF, body built, e.t.c. 60D is the only winner with a swivel screen. Anyways, it does feel like a rebel. And it acts like one with only few more FPS. Everything else is the same. In fact, I'd consider buying a T3i before I get the 60D.

If you think the xsi and the 60d body are the same size then you maybe wrong about everything else you have said here. The 60D is the same size as the 20 and 30D.


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May 25, 2011 14:49 as a reply to  @ post 12477122 |  #199

Official Canon DSLR product roadmap
T1i------>T2i------>T3i------>60D
Rebel--->Rebel--->Rebel--->Large Rebel




  
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May 25, 2011 14:53 |  #200
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megrac wrote in post #12477602 (external link)
If you think the xsi and the 60d body are the same size then you maybe wrong about everything else you have said here. The 60D is the same size as the 20 and 30D.

It was a hyperbole.

But I've owned a 60D as you do now, and I've owned 2 rebels in the past. The plastic feel of the 60D is just not right! 9-pt AF system from 4 generations ago?
But yeah...the swivel screen is what'll get the pro's into buying the xxD series back ;)
Don't you agree? :D


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May 25, 2011 14:53 |  #201
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BTW compare it to the 10D/20D.../50D and you'll know what I'm talking about.


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May 25, 2011 15:11 |  #202

Thats like the Honda Crossover. It's a cross between a SUV and a Sedan and it's not for everyone. That is what I think the 60D is. It has less to offer then the 50D in certain areas but it's but but has more to offer then the T3i. Yea there are areas where it lacks and there are areas where it's great.

It's not for everyone but for the ones that it was made for, it's great.


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May 25, 2011 17:36 |  #203

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What you talkin' 'bout Willis? They've figured out how to make just about every part on a bicycle out of carbon. If you submit your camera to even 1/2 the stress a carbon frame gets on a casual ride, then you deserve to have a broken camera.

Unless you've seen some that I have not all the points that have severe impact or linear torque have metal reinforcments -headset--crank-set--wheel mounts--seat post--and such. ;)

Torque down a 8 x 1.25 cap screw in a piece of carbon and see what you get--splinters!!


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May 25, 2011 18:06 |  #204
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dave kadolph wrote in post #12478735 (external link)
Unless you've seen some that I have not all the points that have severe impact or linear torque have metal reinforcments -headset--crank-set--wheel mounts--seat post--and such. ;)

Torque down a 8 x 1.25 cap screw in a piece of carbon and see what you get--splinters!!

Have to agree!


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May 25, 2011 18:42 as a reply to  @ aboss3's post |  #205

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I've yet to see a Glock with a plastic barrel or a fighter with a plastic motor or landing gear

IIRC a totally plastic handgun is possible and has been developed. For security reasons metal is included in guns like the Glock, so they are detectable at airports, for instance.

Subjectively I prefer the 'feel' of a traditionally built handgun over the Glock. As I said, purely subjective, performance is more than acceptible in both types. A parallel to other equipment maybe? :lol:


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May 25, 2011 18:55 |  #206

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For security reasons metal is included in guns like the Glock, so they are detectable at airports, for instance.

You've never actually handled a Glock, have you?


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May 25, 2011 19:08 |  #207

lonescout wrote in post #12479066 (external link)
IIRC a totally plastic handgun is possible

You use the word 'plastic' too loosely!

Heck, too many people use the word 'plastic' too loosely.


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May 25, 2011 19:10 |  #208

its only a rebel if it doesn't have cause...or a clue.
and its only super if it has a cape!




  
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May 25, 2011 19:14 |  #209

From what I have seen the 60D IS a "super Rebel" The ergonomics are horrible for a "prosumer" camera. Compared to the 7D (or even 50D) ergonomically it is terribly inferior. That said.....it's still a good camera for someone who wants something better than a Rebel but not in the same family as the 50D or 7D. It needs some work. The next version should be nice but the first 60D is lacking.

I almost waited for it before buying a 7D and it's been the best decision I have ever made. I used the 60D for a day after owning my 7D for 6 months and I was disappointed greatly by the 60D. If it had been my first DSLR or an upgrade from a Rebel I'm sure I would feel different.


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May 25, 2011 19:30 |  #210

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From what I have seen the 60D IS a "super Rebel" The ergonomics are horrible for a "prosumer" camera. Compared to the 7D (or even 50D) ergonomically it is terribly inferior. That said.....it's still a good camera for someone who wants something better than a Rebel but not in the same family as the 50D or 7D. It needs some work. The next version should be nice but the first 60D is lacking.

I almost waited for it before buying a 7D and it's been the best decision I have ever made. I used the 60D for a day after owning my 7D for 6 months and I was disappointed greatly by the 60D. If it had been my first DSLR or an upgrade from a Rebel I'm sure I would feel different.

Thats probably why I don't really see much lack in it since this is my first DSLR. I never used MA so it wouldn't do me too much good. AF video doesn't mean much since when I did video, I always use MF. 5.3FPS is enough for me but I would love the 8fps.
When it came down to it. It was waiting to get the 7D or getting the 60D now and then get a new lens later on or something else. I had enough for the 60D but would have to wait a little while if I wanted the 7D. I also wanted to swivel screen.

Overall, even with the stuff the 60D lacks, I love my 60D.

In the end, it worked out better since it allowed me to have funds for a 55-250mm, 50mm and 430 EXII.


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