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May 09, 2014 23:51 |  #2056

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I'm lucky enough to feel that way about the 5D Mark III. I don't know how a DSLR could be more perfect.

Ohh come now, a X-T1 is about $1300, a Leica T $2300. It's not that much of a premium for build quality and design. It's no worse than your typical Apple premium. The Leica M though comes at a massive premium over a Sony A7, one which is hard to justify.

The sony is not a rangefinder. And none of this, other than a cell phone with a camera, is justifiable especially if you are not making your living with the equipment.




  
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May 10, 2014 00:17 |  #2057

Mornnb wrote in post #16894320 (external link)
I'm lucky enough to feel that way about the 5D Mark III. I don't know how a DSLR could be more perfect.

Ohh come now, a X-T1 is about $1300, a Leica T $2300. It's not that much of a premium for build quality and design. It's no worse than your typical Apple premium. The Leica M though comes at a massive premium over a Sony A7, one which is hard to justify.

Ah, but the M is completely different to the A7 - the mechanical rangefinder on the M is a joy to use, and something missing on the A7
Of course the A7 has more Mp, is much cheaper, has AF and on paper is the better camera

I havent shot a 5D3 - but the 1DX is pretty nice

I feel people should figure out what they need in a camera, find the models with those features and go and compare them.
One will jump out as the right choice, it will feel right, or the menu system will click,.
If you wind up buying a camera you dont get along with, you will be less likely to use it.

Of course, if you shoot professionally, buy the gear you need for the job.
No point showing up with an X100 when you need a 1DX and 500f4


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May 10, 2014 00:58 |  #2058

5DIII is a great camera but a much different shooting experience when compared to Leica M. I prefer Leica M by a lot.




  
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May 10, 2014 01:02 as a reply to  @ Echo63's post |  #2059

Who is more ignorant here?

One who advocate for Fuji/Sony/Canon or one who doesn't bash T?

I own L&L and we know what I mean exactly, been here at POTN at Leica thread.

Personally, f.. to F&S&C at this particular thread.

Sorry to be mean. Me included. :rolleyes:

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May 10, 2014 11:44 |  #2060

Mornnb wrote in post #16894320 (external link)
I'm lucky enough to feel that way about the 5D Mark III. I don't know how a DSLR could be more perfect.

Ohh come now, a X-T1 is about $1300, a Leica T $2300. It's not that much of a premium for build quality and design. It's no worse than your typical Apple premium. The Leica M though comes at a massive premium over a Sony A7, one which is hard to justify.

Do you want a 23mm lens for that XT1? It's $900, and it's an f/1.4.
Want one for your T? It's $2000, and it's f/2.

Mad-ness.


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May 10, 2014 11:46 |  #2061

kf095 wrote in post #16894470 (external link)
Who is more ignorant here?

One who advocate for Fuji/Sony/Canon or one who doesn't bash T?

I own L&L and we know what I mean exactly, been here at POTN at Leica thread.

Personally, f.. to F&S&C at this particular thread.

Sorry to be mean. Me included. :rolleyes:

Cheers, Ko.

So we're just supposed to blindly praise Leica here?

The M? Great system, appropriately priced.

The S? Wonderful, small MF system.

Everything else? Overpriced me-too cameras.


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May 10, 2014 20:52 |  #2062

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Do you want a 23mm lens for that XT1? It's $900, and it's an f/1.4.
Want one for your T? It's $2000, and it's f/2.

Mad-ness.

It takes M mount lenses... put a Voigtlander Ultron on it if you're worried about the price. :rolleyes:


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May 10, 2014 23:34 |  #2063

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So we're just supposed to blindly praise Leica here?

The M? Great system, appropriately priced.

The S? Wonderful, small MF system.

Everything else? Overpriced me-too cameras.

Had a quick look at a "well loved**" S and 75 Summarit on friday too.
It feels nice, isn't too heavy, and is pretty easy to use for a camera i have never picked up before.
i do like the 1/1000 sync speed of the CS lenses.
its horrendously expensive, but looks cheap compared to some other MFDSLR options, although its sensor isn't quite as big as some of the other options, but it was designed from the ground up as a dedicated DSLR with dedicated lenses too.
again, i won't be buying one, its too slow for what i use an SLR for, but if i needed a MF camera, i would consider it.

** "well loved" meaning, its owner has used the heck out of it, and was sending it back to Solms as it was having issues occasionally, Leatherette had been superglued down in spots so he could keep using it without sending it back.

as for the T
at my local dealer, the T is $2300 body only, the Fuji XT1 is $1724
but the XT1 has a built in EVF, the T its an optional extra.
the lenses cost more too.

Edge, you are right, its overpriced for what it is, its a "me too" camera.
but it is still very nice, beautifully made, and i am sure Leica will sell a bunch of them.
as i said earlier, if i were looking for an AF mirror less, i would consider it, but probably still wind up with the XT1 or OMD-EM1


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May 11, 2014 03:56 |  #2064

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It takes M mount lenses... put a Voigtlander Ultron on it if you're worried about the price. :rolleyes:

So does the X-T1. And the X-T1 has a built-in EVF, to boot (and a pretty damn good one).

Look, Leica will sell a bunch of these, and I have no doubt that the $2k 23/2 will sell as well (I'm not so sure about the $2000 18-56 f/3.5-5.6...that...that just defies any logic at all). But what does the T really *do* that cannot be done, just as well, for far less than half the price?

Again, I'm not bashing Leica here; I'm a proud MP user, and I think the M system is unique enough in both form and function to justify its high price (which, in reality, is no higher than a top-end Canikon DLSR). But the T brings nothing to the table that isn't already there.


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May 11, 2014 09:44 |  #2065

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May 11, 2014 10:41 as a reply to  @ Echo63's post |  #2066

Just watched this video for the leica T and all I came away with was this guy does not even know what to do with his sweater. You either wear it or hang it up but what is funny is that he did this on purpose. I would like to shoot the camera for a day even though it is not for me. I am just not nearly fancy enough to have one of those lol.

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May 11, 2014 10:45 |  #2067

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I think the M system is unique enough in both form and function to justify its high price (which, in reality, is no higher than a top-end Canikon DLSR).

Agree. And even though the glass is really expensive, their Cron, Lux wide and Cron, Lux and Noctilux normal lenses offer glass that the big two can't come close to as far as sharpness and rendering and you won't loose money on them.

I have not felt this about a camera and the pure joy of shooting since the mid 1980s when I bought my 500 C/Ms. The MM is just a joy to shoot with and I have never felt that way about any of my Canon DSLRs or the Nikon DSLRs I have shot with. You could throw the X Pro 1 and any of the mirrorless cameras in with that to. No joy for me with any of those. The MM is a camera that just gets out of the way.




  
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May 11, 2014 17:24 |  #2068

gsspirit wrote in post #16896974 (external link)
Just watched this video for the leica T and all I came away with was this guy does not even know what to do with his sweater. You either wear it or hang it up but what is funny is that he did this on purpose. I would like to shoot the camera for a day even though it is not for me. I am just not nearly fancy enough to have one of those lol.

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Steve jobs' leica with extra hipster bling. :rolleyes:

They mill out the aluminum block just like in a mac... oh well. Will probably sell enough of them.


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May 11, 2014 18:57 |  #2069

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May 11, 2014 20:16 |  #2070

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