Any reason to try BW filters over Hoya?

Hogloff wrote in post #16092009
Cheap for a reason. My Hoya polarizer literally fell apart. Common occurrence with Hoya. Never once had problems with B+W. Price difference is really not that much, especially when the cheaper one falls apart.

"your" hoya cpl fell apart. not mine . my 82mm CPL is a B+W. my 67mm CPL is a kenko.

tvphotog wrote in post #12476590
Call and chat with the people at www.2filter.com. They are exceptionally knowlegdeable, and handle both Hoya and B+W. There prices are better than most other than HK knockoffs.

maxsavers has better prices but they are in china and probably one of your "HK knockoffs" !

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #16098011
I've seen in some brochure that BW filters are superior because of the way the glass is mounted and the way the ring is designed. The way the ring holds the glass in BW keeps it flat.

The inferior cheaper way other manufacturers mount filters actually bends the glass, thus negating any flatness the glass might have.

I've had one mid-range hoya filter and it gave an interference pattern on sigma 70-200 which would interfere with AF of the camera.

I have full brand loyalty to BW because I believe you get what you pay for in terms of tolerances and quality contol. Whether that extra precision makes a difference is a whole different question and is between the user's needs and his wallet.

sounds like you "bought the sizzle" ! and you are comparing a mid-range hoya filter to a top of the line B+W? like I said I use both and I just don't see any difference, except price.

ed rader wrote in post #16098031
maxsavers has better prices but they are in china and probably one of your "HK knockoffs" !

No, they are not HK knockoffs. They do sell real B+W filters.

But I think they also sell a cheaper export version of some B+W filters with aluminium ring instead of the brass ring - still same glass. Too many manufacturers are willing to produce lower-cost products for some export markets

ed rader wrote in post #16098033
sounds like you "bought the sizzle" ! and you are comparing a mid-range hoya filter to a top of the line B+W? like I said I use both and I just don't see any difference, except price.

Mid range hoya was multicoated, but not flat. And a lot of my BW filters are "lower range" single coated filters which give no problems and cost around the same as mc mid range hoya.

You can call it sizzle if you want. I believe there's a difference in tolerances which is worth it, but like I said it don't matter to all.

Like I said, it's a personal choice for me and I'm in no way invested in boosting BW sales. If you're happy with other brands, your experience is valid. I've only had the one hoya problem and for some applications I'm sure I wouldn't see the differences.

I've also got out of using large filters. If you look at 46-52mm filters, the difference between good BW and others is too small to risk it. If I were getting 77mm, I'd look into it more.

pwm2 wrote in post #16098232
But I think they also sell a cheaper export version of some B+W filters with aluminium ring instead of the brass ring - still same glass. Too many manufacturers are willing to produce lower-cost products for some export markets

I really don't think B+W makes any "export versions" of their filters.

There are a number of posts claiming they do.
https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=2912670&po​stcount=11
https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=10496225&p​ostcount=1

But there are more examples also.

And just as important - I have never seen Scneider Optics post a statement that they do not produce their filters with aluminum ring too. It would be so trivial for them to claim that when people ask and wonder about possible fakes.

Read the following thread if you want a reason to stay clear of Hoya.

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/10037​48

pwm2 wrote in post #16099566
There are a number of posts claiming they do.
https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=2912670&po​stcount=11
https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=10496225&p​ostcount=1

But there are more examples also.

Have you noticed the name you had in the second link?

Blondie Poon from an HK firm makes claims about B+W products? Are Ben Dover and Hung Lou her associates? Can they be trusted?

This is my source. They claim brass rings for "most" of their filters and I remember seeing aluminum for some bayonet specialty mounts.

I have looked at that a number of times and have been in contact with them about a number of specific products not mentioned on their web site or in their documents.

So I know for a fact that they have lots of articles not mentioned there.

pwm2 wrote in post #16099658
I have looked at that a number of times and have been in contact with them about a number of specific products not mentioned on their web site or in their documents.

So I know for a fact that they have lots of articles not mentioned there.

With Blondie Poon of HK or schneider of germany?

I don't make claims either way. I just want to see a driver's license with a name like that.

Schneider in Germany and their american distributor. But I wasn't asking them about aluminium-versions of UV filters - I was asking about stronger ND filters and larger-sized filters. So nice $$$ filters.

pwm2 wrote in post #16099670
Schneider in Germany and their american distributor. But I wasn't asking them about aluminium-versions of UV filters - I was asking about stronger ND filters and larger-sized filters. So nice $$$ filters.

Well, they custom make anything you want in odd sizes. It's a known thing.

Still doesn't shed light on aluminum mounts.

Just a note, but the company that I work for have production in China. You wouldn't believe some of the names they have. Alas, I can't duplicate them here but we have made lots of jokes about them at office. And when people don't believe it we have forwarded some of the mails receievd from the factory.

Same when I worked for another company - also a couple of very interesting names on some of the contact people.

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #16099675
Well, they custom make anything you want in odd sizes. It's a known thing.

Still doesn't shed light on aluminum mounts.

No, I wasn't talking about custom-made products. And not odd sizes either. But larger than usual or stronger than usual.

But can you give one single reason why Schneider would not put up a note that aluminium UV filters are fake unless they make such filters? Even more - when web shops specifically gives Schneider article numbers, it would be so trivial for Schneider to officially declare that they have no such article numbers.

What other german company could stay silent if there was official proof of faked products? Or are Schneider corporate management inept at what they are doing?