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May 25, 2011 14:43 |  #1

I have seen many soft photos from the 7d as i consider this camera. So i hope to see some sharp shots to give my confidence to make this buy . Thanks




  
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May 25, 2011 19:51 |  #2

Sharpness is a factor of focusing too. I've not had any complaints about my 7D except when I try to use that )()(*&%% 2x extender on the 70-200/2.8 IS. Now that is soft.

The last couple of soccer games gave me a real chance to get below ISO 1600.

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May 25, 2011 20:22 |  #4

Dave & Steve that's what I'm talking about . You have to admit you don't see many this sharp from the 7d , be it that a lot of folks just don't know the camera . or there are a few problems . You just don't see that many sharp 7d , so I'm glad to see them . I might try to hold out for the 7Dii . Thanks for posting and helping out




  
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May 25, 2011 22:41 |  #5

7D used in a very dimly lit gymnasium. No flash allowed. Look at the hands in this. I think the 7D did all right considering the conditions.


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May 25, 2011 23:15 |  #6

I would think that if the camera takes sharp pictures, no matter the situation, then sports shooting would just be learning the camera and the sport. The focus system on the 7D is reported to be one of the best Canon has come out with - I can't disprove that.

Checked this thread? https://photography-on-the.net …ead.php?t=97884​7&page=267


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May 26, 2011 09:18 |  #7

Dave - yes i had visited that thread , and i believe it backs up what i mentioned ...There are some tight shots on it , yet there are more then just a few that are posted that are not all that great. What some folks post and think is slamming is not all that . Now I'm not trying to put down anyones work, I'm just looking to see if it's the 7d that has a small problem or it's just that hard to learn the curve to this particular series(7D). I 'm willing to put the time in and do the reading & shooting to get better quality shots . I don't want to do that if there is a constant battle with the camera.

Allscape nice shot ...i have shot in many a gym and realize how difficult these shots are .




  
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May 26, 2011 09:18 |  #8

As Dave stated above, the 7D has the best focus system available and perfectly suited to sports shooting. That is, when you learn how to use it accurately. Here are a few sports shots. Sharp? You be the judge.

7D + 85mm f/1.4 (sigma lens)

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2. Another basketball shot. And both shots ISO 2500 and NO noise reduction!

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4. Football night - high ISO and again, no noise reduction. 70-200 f/2.8L IS

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The only better body you might consider, IMO, is the 1D Mark IV.

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May 26, 2011 10:34 as a reply to  @ snyderman's post |  #9

You have seen a lot of soft photos from the 7D because there are a lot of "problem" threads about the 7D. As with anything, you hear more noise from the problems than those who are happy. I bought my 7D for sports and it has been great. I'm at work right now so I can't post any photos but I have been nothing but happy with the camera. Keep in mind that any shots you see on here have been dumbed down for the web and will not be as sharp as the original. There is much more that goes into a sharp shot than the camera body too. The user and the lens have just as much of an effect. If the user doesn't use the correct settings or a slow-focusing lens then the results will not be good, not at the fault of the body. Incorrect settings or lens issues will get you a poor, OOF shot on a 1D4 just the same as it would on a 7D.


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May 26, 2011 11:12 as a reply to  @ yourdoinitwrong's post |  #10

I love my 7D for sports. Taken with the 70-200 2.8 II

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May 26, 2011 11:14 |  #11

Soft shots are generally due to user error, maybe poor lenses, but not the camera body.




  
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May 26, 2011 11:40 as a reply to  @ yourdoinitwrong's post |  #12

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May 26, 2011 13:52 |  #13

Some recent equestrian examples...

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Full tilt! EF 300/2.8 IS at f3.2, EOS 7D at ISO 1600, 1/2000 shutter speed.

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Heading home.EF 70-200/2.8 IS at f5.6, EOS 7D at ISO 400, 1/800 shutter speed.

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Like the wind. EF 300/4 IS at f5.6, EOS 7D at ISO 400, 1/1000 shutter speed.

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Look ahead. EF 300/2.8 IS at f5.6, EOS 7D at ISO 200, 1/1000 shutter speed.

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Keeping it tight. EF 300/4 IS at f5.6, EOS 7D at ISO 800, 1/800.

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Why go around when you can go over? EF 70-200/2.8 IS at f5.6, EOS 7D at ISO 400, 1/2000 shutter speed.

The above images are all low resolution online proofs with only moderate sharpening applied (the default in Lightroom, during batch RAW conversion).

Which is a possible explanation for the "soft 7D images" you've seen....

7D shots require considerably more sharpening than earlier Canons I've used. I've heard that this is due to a much stronger anti-alias filter being used on the 18MP cameras. For finished images, I probably apply around 60 to 80% more sharpening on 7D shots, than I do to images from 15MP 50D or 21MP 5DII.

It's hard to show, too, at Internet resolutions. I figure if I can clearly see the stitching and tooling on the leather bits and/or individual chin hairs (usually the horse's... but sometimes the rider's too), it's sharp and has adequate detail.

The lenses, and how you use them, also make a noticeable difference on 7D. 70-200/2.8 IS and 300/4 IS both work best stopped down a little. 300/2.8 IS is sharp enough even wide open to make your eyes bleed. I've since micro adjusted the 300/4, but none of the lenses had been MFAed for any of the above shots.

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May 26, 2011 14:23 |  #14

Not looking to be crazy but pictures 1,2 & 4 seem somewhat off . #1& 4 the horse is sharp but the people on them seem a little out of the focus. # 3 is bang sharp.




  
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May 26, 2011 14:26 |  #15

12Rock wrote in post #12484061 (external link)
Not looking to be crazy but pictures 1,2 & 4 seem somewhat off . #1& 4 the horse is sharp but the people on them seem a little out of the focus. # 3 is bang sharp.

Did you look at the exif? 300mm at f3.2 will most likely create a very thin DOF on #1. When you are looking for sharp pics from others, you will have to first understand what their intended focus point was, and then also understand what their DOF was.

As for #2, I would think that 1/800 may not be fast enough to stop motion blur if that horse was really moving. That is nearly my limit just for shooting basketball players, and they are much slower than horses. :)


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