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Photojournalism: Fill Flash or No Fill Flash?

 
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Jun 02, 2011 18:30 |  #1

Say you work for a newspaper, is it proper to use fill flash on a bright, easy ISO100 day, or would the fill flash provide a less realistic image than the flashless image?


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Jun 02, 2011 18:32 |  #2

One does whatever one must to get the best possible images.
That often will mean fill flash.


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Jun 02, 2011 18:34 |  #3

^+1 Do what you need to get the shot..


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Jun 02, 2011 18:39 |  #4

When does one cross the line? Obviously, cloning things in and out isn't allowed, even thought that could make an image nicer...

Is HDR okay? What isn't okay?


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Jun 02, 2011 18:42 |  #5

This is one of my favorite sites. Browse through the albums and it should give you an idea..

http://www.boston.com/​bigpicture/ (external link)

btw are you thinking about photojournalism? Crossing the line is a very open term to use considering the shots I've seen. Pictures are powerful and most photographers in that field get the shot. Good, bad, ugly, they're there for a reason.


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Jun 02, 2011 18:46 |  #6

Fill flash is adding light to the scene and then photographing it.
There is no post capture image manipulation.
That's the ethical line for photojournalists' as I understand it.
Just about every sporting event indoors has strobes in the ceiling to capture the action.
Adding fill light outside is just good photographic technique. We did it with film and continue to do it with digital.

Just don't touch the pixels. That would rule out HDR since its a post capture manipulation.


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Jun 02, 2011 19:06 |  #7

So, then I can't add fill light in RAW? Graduated exposure adjustments to deal with blown out skies? What about saturation? Dodging and burning?


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Jun 03, 2011 01:26 |  #8

The Rule of Thumb I worked by in film days was that you can change the presentation of the image (exposure, dodging, burning, time in bath); you do not alter content (adding, removing, or manipulating elements of the picture). You can crop, as long as you do not alter context relating to the central point of the image.


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Jun 03, 2011 04:14 |  #9

If realistic means having a darkened barely visible subject against a bright backdrop being printed on newsprint with far less range, then don't use the fill flash.




  
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Jun 03, 2011 04:22 |  #10

The Associated Press will fire you for burning and dodging these days, according to my photojournalism professor who currently does work for the Associated Press (among many, many others).

Fill flash is ok.


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Jun 03, 2011 05:29 |  #11

Sam6644 wrote in post #12527494 (external link)
The Associated Press will fire you for burning and dodging these days, according to my photojournalism professor who currently does work for the Associated Press (among many, many others).

Fill flash is ok.

Really? That's a tad anal. I suppose Photoshop has propelled everyone to the stupidly PC end of the spectrum.

Photo-journalism marks events in a historical context and it's somewhat precious to impose a blanket ban on dodging and burning. After all, the very initial act of snapping an image involves an editorial judgement in timing, angle, distance and exposure.

Opportunity? If you happen to capture a 3-stop under-exposed shot of Obama being violated by a sex-crazed gerbil, or QEII being attacked by a homocidal pigeon, I think you're justified in tweaking it up in PP to capture some image of the event. Provided, of course, you 'fess up in the caption exactly what you've done.

Or am I hopelessly Old School?


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Jun 03, 2011 06:02 |  #12

xhack wrote in post #12527086 (external link)
You can crop, as long as you do not alter context relating to the central point of the image.

Which news bureau was lambasted for cropping out Palestinian weapons in a photo taken on a flotilla boat invaded by the Israelis?




  
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Jun 03, 2011 06:50 |  #13

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Which news bureau was lambasted for cropping out Palestinian weapons in a photo taken on a flotilla boat invaded by the Israelis?

Don't know - which? I'm guessing AP? ;)

I never came across that accusation; it'd be totally out of order were it true (for context - on the day following the raid, the Israeli government said marines who boarded the vessel opened fire in self-defense after activists clubbed and stabbed them and snatched some of their weapons).


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Jun 03, 2011 15:22 |  #14

xhack wrote in post #12527603 (external link)
Really? That's a tad anal. I suppose Photoshop has propelled everyone to the stupidly PC end of the spectrum.

Photo-journalism marks events in a historical context and it's somewhat precious to impose a blanket ban on dodging and burning. After all, the very initial act of snapping an image involves an editorial judgement in timing, angle, distance and exposure.

Opportunity? If you happen to capture a 3-stop under-exposed shot of Obama being violated by a sex-crazed gerbil, or QEII being attacked by a homocidal pigeon, I think you're justified in tweaking it up in PP to capture some image of the event. Provided, of course, you 'fess up in the caption exactly what you've done.

Or am I hopelessly Old School?

Correcting exposure is ok, but it's the selective burning and dodging that will get you in trouble.


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