For those of you that think the 7D is good with noise...

Wow I'm amazed to see the difference between LR3 and DPP.

I've said it in the past and keep saying it now, so many people live in the Adobe world, and those that know how to leverage the absolute best out of it can get great results from raw, but DPP, designed by Canon, for Canon raw files, is what I choose to use. This is one of the leading causes, in my opinion, on why there is such a diversity in opinions on the results from the 7D and other bodies.

Below are the exif for the images posted

(-4 Stops version)

Camera Maker: NIKON CORPORATION
Camera Model: NIKON D7000
Lens: 50.0 mm f/1.4
Image Date: 2011-06-14 20:32:19 +0100
Focal Length: 50mm (35mm equivalent: 75mm)
Focus Distance: 0.45m
Aperture: f/2.0
Exposure Time: 0.010 s (1/100)
ISO equiv: 100
Exposure Bias: -0.33 EV
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
GPS Coordinate: undefined, undefined
Photographer: xxxxxx

rhys216 wrote in post #12594420
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Camera Maker: NIKON CORPORATION
Camera Model: NIKON D7000
Lens: 50.0 mm f/1.4
Image Date: 2011-06-14 23:07:45 +0100
Focal Length: 50mm (35mm equivalent: 75mm)
Focus Distance: 0.45m
Aperture: f/2.0
Exposure Time: 0.0050 s (1/200)
ISO equiv: 100
Exposure Bias: -5.00 EV
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
GPS Coordinate: undefined, undefined
Photographer: xxxxxxxxxxxxx

^ That is why I asked my question the first time on how the negative EC was dialed in, when I tried those settings, I had a well-lit sunlight window lighting my subject material, and couldn't figure out what was going on.

Also there was discussion on banding if you underexpose the 7D, however the sample above definitely refutes that, at least in this copy of the 7D. Just the faintest of lines in the noise, but nothing that would show in a print or even after post processing. That is what I remember from my 7D as well.

I've stayed out of this discussion because I only shoot RAW and use CS5 with the ACR converter and the DPP and Lightroom seems to be in the spotlighted in this thread but below is a repeat of my post in this tread a couple of pages back that no one seemed to pick up on.

If you want your 7D images to go from Great to Fantastic see below...

With a little tweaking of the conversion settings by having a different default conversion tied to each ISO my images went from great to fantastic and your can too.

Palladium wrote in post #12595339
I've stayed out of this discussion because I only shoot RAW and use CS5 with the ACR converter and the DPP and Lightroom seems to be in the spotlighted in this thread but below is a repeat of my post in this tread a couple of pages back that no one seemed to pick up on.

If you want your 7D images to go from Great to Fantastic see below...

With a little tweaking of the conversion settings by having a different default conversion tied to each ISO my images went from great to fantastic and your can too.

What settings do you use in ACR for luminance noise reduction at the different ISO's?

jase1125 wrote in post #12595465
What settings do you use in ACR for luminance noise reduction at the different ISO's?

I would suggest that you develop your own set of settings for your style of shooting.

I actually looking for some underexposed images...

Well. I do get a lot of noise on the pictures taken from my 7D in the beginning. Because I'm using cheap lenses. DPP always show the images are sharp.After converted to jpg files they look awful.

umphotography wrote in post #12574319
Oh Mr. Poe

wrong place to go. The OP is an outstanding photographer. Ive known him for years and hes as good as they come when it comes to understanding photography and the technical aspects of the game.

The evidence provided (i.e. histogram) doesn't support that statement. He might have a very good understanding of exposure with film photography, but I cannot say the same thing regarding his digital technique.

Frozzy wrote in post #12575643
Is this thread supposed to make me feel bad about myself owning a 7D? It's whatever, i'll work with the noise..

No.

Wilt wrote in post #12576192
This simply exemplifieds the old adage in photograph, that SIZE MATTERS. In the days of old, those not satisfiled with 135 would spend money on medium format cameras. Today, those not satisfied with APS-C get FF. History repeating itself once more.

That depends if you're trying to do the same thing with 135 as you would with 6x6.

Cesium wrote in post #12577246
I can't believe it took 2 pages to get to this comment. Agreed 100%. Take some properly exposed shots and see the difference.

EL_PIC wrote in post #12580890
No one needs 130 threads to know the 7D pixel pitch is too small for good photo.

That's entirely false.

rhys216 wrote in post #12594420
Sorry Lol,

I think there is some inevitable variation in exposure, and subjectively I'd say you example was closer to my previous example of about -4 Stops, would you agree with that?

Crop looks pretty clean imo, although cross-hatching is more visible on the non-crop, although I'd say you increased the exposure about half a stop more than you needed to.

Below I arranged the images closer together for easier comparison

How did we get into a D7000 vs 7D comparison?

Palladium wrote in post #12595208
Below are the exif for the images posted

(-4 Stops version)

Camera Maker: NIKON CORPORATION
Camera Model: NIKON D7000
Lens: 50.0 mm f/1.4
Image Date: 2011-06-14 20:32:19 +0100
Focal Length: 50mm (35mm equivalent: 75mm)
Focus Distance: 0.45m
Aperture: f/2.0
Exposure Time: 0.010 s (1/100)
ISO equiv: 100
Exposure Bias: -0.33 EV
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
GPS Coordinate: undefined, undefined
Photographer: xxxxxx

(-5 Stops version)

Camera Maker: NIKON CORPORATION
Camera Model: NIKON D7000
Lens: 50.0 mm f/1.4
Image Date: 2011-06-14 23:07:45 +0100
Focal Length: 50mm (35mm equivalent: 75mm)
Focus Distance: 0.45m
Aperture: f/2.0
Exposure Time: 0.0050 s (1/200)
ISO equiv: 100
Exposure Bias: -5.00 EV
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
GPS Coordinate: undefined, undefined
Photographer: xxxxxxxxxxxxx

First shot was manually exposed, so exposure compensation does not impact the image.
-0.3 stops is my default when in Av mode.

Poe wrote in post #12596049
How did we get into a D7000 vs 7D comparison?

Not sure, but it seems it's actually the 5D Vs 7D Vs 30D Vs 1DIV Vs D7K

Poe wrote in post #12596049
How did we get into a D7000 vs 7D comparison?

Must of been by someone with D7000

I should be getting a 7D in the next couple of weeks

Regarding DPP Vs LR...

As a CPS Staff member once told me: "We gave Adobe some information but we didn't give them all the information. Our Files .. Our Software."

pentax1 wrote in post #12596421
Must of been by someone with D7000

I should be getting a 7D in the next couple of weeks

Congratulations, let us know how you get on...

rhys216 wrote in post #12596565
Congratulations, let us know how you get on...

Thanks, will do.