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EQUIPMENT REVIEW: Innovatronix Explorer Mini : Part 1 - Initial Thoughts

 
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Jun 14, 2011 11:33 |  #31

TMR Design wrote in post #12591794 (external link)
Hi Jim,

If you could try something, this will help me and Innovatronix.

I believe you said you have the problem with the Genesis 400 at full power. Reduce the power by 1/10 stop and see if anything changes.

I can try that tomorrow morning, too.

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Jun 14, 2011 11:33 |  #32

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How's the capacity compare to the Explorer XT SE? That, and can you post recycle times with the two 600's. at full power at the same time? I'm wondering if one of these would be good for a 1200w/s Speedo blackline pack.

With these scaled down batteries, battery life is definitely going to go down and won't compare to the life of the XT SE.

The problem with recycle times is that there really is no way to accurately measure the time. I've used a stopwatch, popped 10 times and averaged and it's really so inaccurate.

That's why I was saying in my response to Jim that it's easier to plug the same strobe in to an XTSE and into the Mini, pop them and then post my observation about how much faster or slower one is compared to the other.


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Jun 14, 2011 20:11 as a reply to  @ post 12582796 |  #33

What I'm really looking forward to is the review of its compatibility with two BXRI's, since 2 Dlites have already been shown on their video :

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Jun 14, 2011 20:40 |  #34

TMR Design wrote in post #12591851 (external link)
The problem with recycle times is that there really is no way to accurately measure the time. I've used a stopwatch, popped 10 times and averaged and it's really so inaccurate

The only way I can think of doing it accurately is to build some gizmo that starts a timer when you press a start button that fires an optical pulse or triggers a sync port, then either measures the light from the ready light on the flash, listens to the beep, or measures current draw of zero.
Otherwise, you only get approximations for quick cycle times :(

You might want to ask the Innovatronix guys how they do it since they gave you the unit to review. They probably have some way of doing it accurately...


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Jun 14, 2011 22:28 |  #35

TMR Design wrote in post #12591700 (external link)
But is there anything in the Genesis documentation that even mentions the beeps?

Rob,
My recollection is that the multiple beeping occurred at all power settings when I was testing the Genesis with a PCB VML.

When I purchased a couple of Genesis 400s and discovered the digital power settings were way off what one expects, Calumet said that that was just the way it was "after all, they are entry level monolights." I returned the 400s.

As I stated earlier, I suspect the beeping is because the circuitry in the digital controller is primitive and is responding to voltage fluctuations that are probably a normal part of an inverter based power source.

If I had to use my 300B with a VML and it failed I would chalk it up to poor Genesis design and send it to Calumet for warranty replacement. :-)


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Jun 14, 2011 22:43 |  #36

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The only way I can think of doing it accurately is to build some gizmo that starts a timer when you press a start button that fires an optical pulse or triggers a sync port, then either measures the light from the ready light on the flash, listens to the beep, or measures current draw of zero.
Otherwise, you only get approximations for quick cycle times :(

You might want to ask the Innovatronix guys how they do it since they gave you the unit to review. They probably have some way of doing it accurately...

You could always video it and check the exact time from flash to beep.


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Jun 14, 2011 23:42 |  #37

Lichtwerk wrote in post #12595550 (external link)
You could always video it and check the exact time from flash to beep.

Seriously..is it that crucial to the measurebators to know whether it's 1.4 or 1.8 seconds recycle time? 1 1/2 to 2 seconds is enough info for me.

I'd be more concerned about why the multiple beeps...but...measureb​ate away!




  
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Jun 14, 2011 23:52 as a reply to  @ HeadShotz's post |  #38

As I indicated above, I'm not going to try to measure time. I'm simply going to look at relationships and perceived timing differences. Even Innovatronix is giving rough times and not giving a specification.

There's no way for them to do that because every strobe would respond differently. All they are doing is giving a window of time based on their testing.


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Jun 14, 2011 23:56 |  #39

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Seriously..is it that crucial to the measurebators to know whether it's 1.4 or 1.8 seconds recycle time? 1 1/2 to 2 seconds is enough info for me.

I'd be more concerned about why the multiple beeps...but...measureb​ate away!

I am merely providing an idea for an option to measure.

While it sure as hell doesn't matter if it's 1.4 or 1.8 seconds, it's still nice to see how the recycle time compares to AC power or other battery options.
The multiple beeps only seem to be an issue with the aforementioned Calumet lights.


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Jun 15, 2011 00:39 |  #40

Lichtwerk wrote in post #12595858 (external link)
I am merely providing an idea for an option to measure.

While it sure as hell doesn't matter if it's 1.4 or 1.8 seconds, it's still nice to see how the recycle time compares to AC power or other battery options.
The multiple beeps only seem to be an issue with the aforementioned Calumet lights.

And 1 1/2 to 2 seconds would give me plenty enough of a recycle time comparison vs. AC power or other battery options. So if one battery option gave you 1.4 seconds and another (or AC powered) gave you 1.8..that would sway you or make a major difference? Again...measurebate away....

The multiple beep issue SO FAR is only with the Calumet lights. Only a handful of people actually have an Explorer Mini' at this point. Your basing your conclusion that it's ONLY the Calumet lights on this one report/review so far? Your stating that as if it's widely known it's ONLY the Calumet lights.




  
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Jun 15, 2011 00:48 |  #41

HeadShotz wrote in post #12595821 (external link)
Seriously..is it that crucial to the measurebators to know whether it's 1.4 or 1.8 seconds recycle time? 1 1/2 to 2 seconds is enough info for me.

I'd be more concerned about why the multiple beeps...but...measureb​ate away!

so you came in a review thread in the equipment section, what did you expect?

HeadShotz wrote in post #12595991 (external link)
And 1 1/2 to 2 seconds would give me plenty enough of a recycle time comparison vs. AC power or other battery options. So if one battery option gave you 1.4 seconds and another (or AC powered) gave you 1.8..that would sway you or make a major difference? Again...measurebate away....

The multiple beep issue SO FAR is only with the Calumet lights. Only a handful of people actually have an Explorer Mini' at this point. Your basing your conclusion that it's ONLY the Calumet lights on this one report/review so far? Your stating that as if it's widely known it's ONLY the Calumet lights.

well did you click on theyoutube video? Dlites did not do that.
whitesell aka Jim said they have multiple beeps so I am gong to believe him. Do you have proof to prove it otherwise?

EDIT:

https://photography-on-the.net …?p=11649873&pos​tcount=109

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=11602541#po​st11602541

https://photography-on-the.net …p=11602211&post​count=4177

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=11981649#po​st11981649

I am not saying you are a troll or trolling. Just looking over your past posts.


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Jun 15, 2011 02:25 |  #42
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Yes his history is quite telling isn't it ?

My favourite, anyone see the wealth of images posted from headshotz ?

Nah didn't think so...:rolleyes:

There is always a purist in the crowd, easies way to spot them is to look for a raised pinky finger and a monocle...


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Jun 15, 2011 07:28 |  #43

TMR Design wrote in post #12591794 (external link)
Hi Jim,

If you could try something, this will help me and Innovatronix.

I believe you said you have the problem with the Genesis 400 at full power. Reduce the power by 1/10 stop and see if anything changes.

Hi Rob,

The multiple beeps occur when I use two strobes at any power setting. When I use only one strobe, operation is normal, with a single beep regardless of power setting.

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Jun 15, 2011 08:12 |  #44

HeadShotz wrote in post #12595821 (external link)
Seriously..is it that crucial to the measurebators to know whether it's 1.4 or 1.8 seconds recycle time? 1 1/2 to 2 seconds is enough info for me.

Uhh...we were making suggestions because Robert was complaining how a stopwatch was very inaccurate...


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Jun 15, 2011 09:21 |  #45

kenyee wrote in post #12596945 (external link)
Uhh...we were making suggestions because Robert was complaining how a stopwatch was very inaccurate...

What we need is an Arduino geek who can breadboard something to start a timer when the strobe flashes and stop it when the ready light comes on. FM is full of Arduino geeks.

Anyone with a dual-trace oscilloscope, perhaps?

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