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Jun 16, 2011 01:52 |  #31

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Try a different question then. Do you shoot hand held or on a tripod and manual focus or auto focus?
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Hi Dai, I am sorry I was going to answer your email I then had a whole heap of computer problems. Due to the extreme DoF I tend not to use a tripod for most of my close up work, unless I am doing extreme work e.g. when I reverse a 50mm on the front of the G and focus is critical. When doing my landscape work I do use a tripod more, mainly as I tend to use the built in 3 stop ND filter, or add additional ND (so possibly "big stopper") or polar to slow things down.

I have used stacking on my DSLR but find it to be a bit of a pain, then I use a focus rail as it is the right tool for the job. I have occasionally used it with the G but only because it is already on the tripod.

Focus can be a bit fiddly, using the wheel control is a pain and frustrating, it is one of the known quirks of the camera. As is the general ergonomics of the back plate and being able to mash all the button with the palm of your hand. A trick to remember is that you can use the "S" shortcut button to the left of the eye piece, when the camera is set in manual focus, pressing this button and pressing the 4 way rocker to either the left or the right is another way to focusing. This is how you use the camera in the underwater housing and you cant use the back wheel. Depending on what mode you are using it can also be used to change aperture or shutter speed. I tend to use auto-focus most of the time, the reason for using close up filters is you get further away from the subject, so you don't scare them off, plus you can get light on the subject, the down side is you have a narrower area of operating, so a +2 dioptre close up lens will work from 50cm with the camera set on infinity down to possibly 40cm - AF should work without any problem.


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Jun 16, 2011 02:58 |  #32

Great tip about the focus in manual John,That works well,thanks.


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Jun 16, 2011 08:20 |  #33

Thank you very much for your help John.

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Jun 16, 2011 11:27 as a reply to  @ DaiWelsh's post |  #34

Funny how your attention can be focused on one object, and totally miss something. I took this shot trying to get the caterpillar. After I took the shot, I tried to brush the dirt particles away, the one on the left and the one at the top. The top one just walked away... I didn't realize I had taken the shot with the beetle next to the caterpillar.

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Jun 16, 2011 20:37 |  #35

Was a little windy today but I managed to get this shot. This is with my new Raynox DCR-250.

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Jun 17, 2011 08:47 |  #36

These two were taken last night when I let the dogs out before bed. I was armed with the G12, with my DCR250 attached, and I used a flashlight app on my Droid X to act as my light source =p

The title of this one is aptly named dinner, since that's what's in focus. I like the shadow that was cast as well.

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And here's some wormy caterpillary looking thing.
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Jun 17, 2011 10:07 |  #37

I just threw DPP on my work laptop and dabbled with the worm critter I posted. Just messing with a few sliders made a vast improvement in my opinion. I'm gonna have to revisit some of the pictures I've taken and see how much more they can be improved. A before and after for reference.

Before (I know it's just above, but I figured it'd make it easier to compare if it was right with the processed one!)

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Jun 17, 2011 11:01 |  #38

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I just threw DPP on my work laptop and dabbled with the worm critter I posted. Just messing with a few sliders made a vast improvement in my opinion. I'm gonna have to revisit some of the pictures I've taken and see how much more they can be improved. A before and after for reference.

Before (I know it's just above, but I figured it'd make it easier to compare if it was right with the processed one!)
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Radical improvement there,that realy brought it to life!


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Jun 17, 2011 13:41 as a reply to  @ geoff 0795's post |  #39

Three pics and request for advice. As a mainly landscape photographer I have not had any need for additional artificial lighting in the past. I am now getting into macro ( at the age of 72, the hikes and hill climbs are becoming less attractive!! ) and my aim is to capture pictorially interesting shots of insects. ( My garden is only just outside my back door ). My first few tentative steps have convinced me that I need additional lighting to help make the pictures 'pop'. My question is, would I be better off using a general purpose flash light or a more dedicated macro ring flash? I have seen an LED ring flash on ebay for £29, which seems really cheap, but have also seen a digital slave flash at only £10. Any advice would be very welcome.
The pics were taken using a +4 Hoya single glass lens and on board flash. Waiting for my achromatic lenses to arrive courtesy of Geoff.


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Jun 17, 2011 14:13 as a reply to  @ GShooter's post |  #40

Two more, hopefully the achromatic lens will give better definition.


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Jun 17, 2011 14:47 |  #41

Hi GShooter - to deal with the LED light first, these are really good for adding fill light, but they tend not give as much light as a flash gun and therefore will not allow you to up the shutter speed and reduce the aperture - both of which really help with close up work, especially in the UK where we seem to be lacking summer sun at the moment!!!

The slave flash is a nice item and can get light into interesting places, however, it will be manual control, which is not really a problem but can take a bit of trial and error.

The slightly more expensive route is to go for an off camera cord, they can be picked up second-hand (in UK try Mifsuds, Ffordes, or eBay), they do not have to be Canon own brand. Then get a dedicated ETTL flash units, any of the Canon EX units will do from the really nice compact 270EX II through to the larger guns, again I don't have a problem going second-hand on these, they are well built - the best resource for all things Canon flash is NK Guy and his wonderful "Flash Photography with Canon EOS Cameras"
- see http://photonotes.org …/eos-flash/#externalflash (external link)

Of course there are other non Canon dedicated guns around, look out for units such as Marumi D728AFC, Jessops 360AFD or Nissin Di466

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But getting the gun off the camera is when you start to have real fun!!!

Other option of keeping control is to use a wireless control, before Canon prices went silly, you could pick up as ST-E2 controller for about £75, but the prices have crept up, but to gain from this you would need to be using one of the bigger Canon guns, see NK Guy item for a list of what does what - but it is a nice way of controlling a couple of flashes, hope this helps...


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Jun 17, 2011 14:48 |  #42

The last shot is a belter,I love it,sharp,good colour and composition!


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Jun 17, 2011 14:50 |  #43

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Three pics and request for advice. As a mainly landscape photographer I have not had any need for additional artificial lighting in the past. I am now getting into macro ( at the age of 72, the hikes and hill climbs are becoming less attractive!! ) and my aim is to capture pictorially interesting shots of insects. ( My garden is only just outside my back door ). My first few tentative steps have convinced me that I need additional lighting to help make the pictures 'pop'. My question is, would I be better off using a general purpose flash light or a more dedicated macro ring flash? I have seen an LED ring flash on ebay for £29, which seems really cheap, but have also seen a digital slave flash at only £10. Any advice would be very welcome.
The pics were taken using a +4 Hoya single glass lens and on board flash. Waiting for my achromatic lenses to arrive courtesy of Geoff.

What up "G"...Okay, I couldn't refuse that opportunity albeit immature and very American :D. But seriously, if you take a look at the first of John's links in the reference section of the first post in this thread, you will see what a lot of people are using for a light source. Basically it consists of the camera attached to an external flash gun via off camera cord all mounted on a flash bracket (whether this is purchased or DIY cheapo like mine). This rig is not unique to the G macro photography but many examples can be found over in the full on Macro forum if you search something like "show me your set up". Keep it up. This is a great thread to play in.


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Jun 17, 2011 14:51 |  #44

Wow, we all just posted at the same time! Ask and you shall receive.


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Jun 17, 2011 15:04 as a reply to  @ geoff 0795's post |  #45

Thank you John, as always sound and helpful advice.

Geoff , yes I like that one as well. Hope to get a little more adventurous with the composition and types of insects as I get further along the learning curve of macro image capture. There is a lot more to consider compared to landscape which is just about light and composition really, this is a new challenge.


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