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Einstein + VML Recycle Time (with Elinchrom bonus!)

 
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Jun 16, 2011 13:58 |  #1

First of all, thanks to Dennis (aka Lichtwerk) for suggesting an easy and precise way to measure strobe recycling times (here). No, this level of precision really isn't necessary from a practical perspective but, it is so easy to achieve, it makes sense to adopt Dennis' suggested video-based approach as opposed to relying on a manualy operated stopwatch.

The technique is simply this: Record the flash firing/recycling then import the footage into a video editor and note on the timeline the moment the flash fires and the time when the ready light re-illuminates. The difference between these two data points will be the exact recycling time (exact within the constraints imposed by the 30fps frame rate).

For this exercise, I used the free AVS Video Editor software package. Recording was done with a Nikon D3100. I measured recycle times of the Einstein powered by a fully-charged VML at both 640Ws and at 320Ws (1 stop down). Multiple pops at each power were recorded.

The resulting frames as seen in the AVS editor looked like this:

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My results were as follows:

640Ws

Pop 1: 3.920 seconds

Pop 2: 3.850 second

Pop 3: 3.798 Seconds

320Ws

Pop 1: 1.707 Seconds

Pop 2: 1.737 Seconds

Pop 3: 1.728 Seconds

For comparison purposes, I also did a quick test with an Elinchrom 600RX set to full power:

Pop 1: 3.731

Pop 2: 3.621

Pop 3: 3.591

So the VML is able to provide 3-1/2 to 4 second recycling time with a single 600-640Ws strobe. Reducing flash power shortens recycling times considerably.

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Jun 16, 2011 14:34 |  #2

Hey Dave, nice testing method. I see that the full-strength times decrease each pop. Would this be attributed to the "inverter warming up", as stated on the product page for the VML? Do you know at what point it flattens out?


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Jun 16, 2011 14:40 |  #3

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Hey Dave, nice testing method. I see that the full-strength times decrease each pop. Would this be attributed to the "inverter warming up", as stated on the product page for the VML? Do you know at what point it flattens out?

I was wondering about that myself. It does appear that recycling times decrease a bit as the inverter warms up. I haven't retested with a fully warmed up inverter so can't really say how much improvement one is likely to see. I would guess not very much.

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Jun 16, 2011 14:44 |  #4

Thanks Dave for spending the time doing such tests!!


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Jun 16, 2011 14:54 |  #5

Nice job Dave,
Now if I could just figure out how to do video with my 5DII.
Or, I could just expect that your numbers are close enough. :-)


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Jun 16, 2011 17:09 as a reply to  @ dmward's post |  #6

Great job, thanks for doing it!

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Jun 16, 2011 18:11 |  #7

dmward wrote in post #12605148 (external link)
Nice job Dave,
Now if I could just figure out how to do video with my 5DII.
Or, I could just expect that your numbers are close enough. :-)

Funny you should say that, David. I'm not at all interested in video and was never motivated to figure out how to make one with my 5DII. With the D3100, I just have to press the red button. That I can do.

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Jun 16, 2011 18:13 |  #8

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Great job, thanks for doing it!

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Thanks, Jim. I'm just kicking myself (figuratively) for not coming up with the idea of using a video editor. Dennis gets the gold ring.

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Jun 16, 2011 20:23 |  #9

it's good to have multiple users confirm the refresh rate. this technique gives a much more definitive and accurate measurement. Nice job dave


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Jun 16, 2011 20:56 |  #10

tetrode wrote in post #12606153 (external link)
Thanks, Jim. I'm just kicking myself (figuratively) for not coming up with the idea of using a video editor. Dennis gets the gold ring.

Dave F.

Dennis is pretty crafty there Dave to bad you already gave the award out this week :(


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Jun 16, 2011 21:19 |  #11

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Dennis is pretty crafty there Dave to bad you already gave the award out this week :(

Oddly enough, Martin, that did occur to me ;)

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Jun 16, 2011 22:52 |  #12

tetrode wrote in post #12606153 (external link)
Thanks, Jim. I'm just kicking myself (figuratively) for not coming up with the idea of using a video editor. Dennis gets the gold ring.

Thanks! :) You've definitely earned yourself yet another Measurebator Merit Badge! Are you trying to catch up to Rob, Dave?

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Dennis is pretty crafty there Dave to bad you already gave the award out this week :(

Wait, what? :(

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I was wondering about that myself. It does appear that recycling times decrease a bit as the inverter warms up. I haven't retested with a fully warmed up inverter so can't really say how much improvement one is likely to see. I would guess not very much.

Considering only 3 pops already affect it substantially, it might be worth testing :)


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Jun 16, 2011 23:02 |  #13

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Thanks! :) You've definitely earned yourself yet another Measurebator Merit Badge! Are you trying to catch up to Rob, Dave?

Gadzooks, NO! I'm a very selective measurebator. I went through this exercise only because I was intrigued by your suggested methodology (which works brilliantly).

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Jun 16, 2011 23:53 |  #14

tetrode wrote in post #12607643 (external link)
Gadzooks, NO! I'm a very selective measurebator. I went through this exercise only because I was intrigued by your suggested methodology (which works brilliantly).

I know, Dave. No worries :)
Wonder if Rob Galbraith used the same method in his comprehensive inverter round-up. That would certainly make the numbers comparable.

That said, I'm itching for a BatPac (Little Genny is not really available in Europe).


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Jun 17, 2011 06:37 as a reply to  @ Lichtwerk's post |  #15

Hi Guys,

An audio editor works just as well for determining recycle times. Just figured I'd let you know.


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