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Jun 22, 2011 01:58 |  #1

Hey guys, I'm looking for an iMac for photo/video editing (LR3 / FCP) and am looking at my options.

I want to ask if CPU or RAM is more important for photo and video editing... so if anyone knows, it'd be great.

I'm on a 13" macbook unibody with 2ghz core2duo, 2x2gb 1067 ddr3, and a 500gb seagate momentus xt part SDD part HDD storage. It's not fast enough for my 5D2 21mp raw and HD videos (h264 converted to pro res 422).

So here are my questions:

CPU - i5 or i7, does it matter? I'm not that much into gaming, but I do game from time to time.

CPU - assuming all i5, 2.5ghz vs 2.7ghz vs 3.1ghz - Does it really matter?

RAM - 4x2gb vs 2x4gb - same?

RAM - 4gb vs 8gb vs 16gb - how much of a difference is there?

Harddrives - Internal vs External via firewire - Much of a difference in speed? (SSD is too expensive)

And lastly, about my options...

Compare the following:

A- 2.5ghz i5 + 16gb ram (4x4)
B- 2.7ghz i5 + 8gb ram (4x2)

Which one will be better for photo editing, and which for video editing?

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Jun 22, 2011 02:11 |  #2

Always get the fastest/biggest CPU and HDD that you can from the get go. RAM can always be upgraded later. CPUs cannot and HDDs cost 50-90 bucks to upgrade later. 16gb IMO is usually overkill unless you are using (actual working) in big programs at the same time. Like exporting hundreds of photos in LR, editing in FCP and watching an HD movie all at the same time. I'm a power user sometimes with a dozen things going at once and I never get above 12gb and have never seen my swap file used. My CPUs (8 true cores 16 virtual) are the real limitation to be truthful.

Edit: forgot to add, 8gb is usually the sweet spot. Upgrade from OWC, not apple. 4gb just isn't enough these days. But, it can get you by if it means getting a faster CPU.




  
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Jun 22, 2011 02:30 |  #3

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MaxxuM wrote in post #12637194 (external link)
Edit: forgot to add, 8gb is usually the sweet spot. Upgrade from OWC, not apple. 4gb just isn't enough these days. But, it can get you by if it means getting a faster CPU.

...right...

4GB is plenty...in fact, 8 is a luxury but isn't necessary...

As for your other questions, i5 vs i7 isn't a big deal unless you want to pay extra for extra speed...personally I feel that the lowest end i5 is plenty powerful enough for what you will throw at it. Also, the new iMacs are all 4 core, so you can do some heavy multitasking.

4x2 gb is the essentially same as 2x4gb..

The difference between 4gb to 8 gb to 16gb is pretty big, but 4 is plenty unless you doing extreme computing. I edit with 4gb all the time.

As for hard drives...SSD is not necessary...just a luxury. As for internal or external, your internal drive is going to be faster than your external drive under most conditions. Also, an internal drive in an iMac is protected better from the elements/bumps/falls than an external will be, so the one inside the computer is probably your best option for your primary storage of photos.

An external drive can be used for backups, but given the fact that they are subjected to harsher conditions, keeping your primary files on one isn't wise, and they aren't as fast anyway.

One thing you didn't really mention is video cards, Personally, I recommend you choose the upgraded option for video cards. If you are looking at the 21 inch iMAc, get the one that is more expensive than the base model. Same for the 27 inch. Graphics cards play a big role, especially if you ever plan on playing games on the iMac. Also some applications use them for processing power.

I chose the upgrade video card in my previous generation iMac, and I am SO happy I did...And since you can't change it you might as well get it to begin with.

So to recap: Buy for your CPU, what you can afford, but don't skimp on the video card option. Ram is cheap to upgrade, you can upgrade to 16gb from crucial for 164 dollars....that is dirt cheap..


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Jun 22, 2011 04:06 |  #5

sbattey wrote in post #12637275 (external link)
4GB is plenty...in fact, 8 is a luxury but isn't necessary...

4GB is usually OK for regular users who won't be using FCP and LR. Though FCP says 2GB minimum and 4GB recommended, you'll be swapping to the HD a lot. If you don't mind the slow down of constantly needing to swap to the hard drive, 4GB is fine. Otherwise, move to 8GB.

sbattey wrote in post #12637275 (external link)
As for your other questions, i5 vs i7 isn't a big deal unless you want to pay extra for extra speed...personally I feel that the lowest end i5 is plenty powerful enough for what you will throw at it. Also, the new iMacs are all 4 core, so you can do some heavy multitasking.

More often than not, the more cores you have the better your performance with FCP. For LR, an i5 is plenty. If you work on movie projects that are longer than twenty minutes, get an i7. If you're just going to do little family videos, i5.

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4x2 gb is the essentially same as 2x4gb..

Except for two things - 4x2GB sticks means you will have to replace sticks to upgrade while 2x4GB sticks means you still have two empty slots to upgrade later. The second thing, and much more minor, is you always want the largest memory stick due to the slight speed increase (since the memory controller does not have to keep switching to different blocks across several dimms).

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The difference between 4gb to 8 gb to 16gb is pretty big, but 4 is plenty unless you doing extreme computing. I edit with 4gb all the time.

The move from 4GB to 8GB speed wise is noticeable. 64bit software typically loves to use RAM. I'm not sure about LR, but FCP will eat up RAM like crazy if you use a lot of filters and HD footage. I do TV work and sometimes get up to seven video layers and four camera's (multicam) and if I used only 4GB I would go crazy from waiting.

Trust me, 8GB is where you'll most likely want to be.

sbattey wrote in post #12637275 (external link)
As for hard drives...SSD is not necessary...just a luxury. As for internal or external, your internal drive is going to be faster than your external drive under most conditions. Also, an internal drive in an iMac is protected better from the elements/bumps/falls than an external will be, so the one inside the computer is probably your best option for your primary storage of photos.

An external drive can be used for backups, but given the fact that they are subjected to harsher conditions, keeping your primary files on one isn't wise, and they aren't as fast anyway.

SSD will make your system faster, more responsive and boot times will be significantly reduced. If you have the money and really really want the speed increase, send your iMac to OWC for an SSD upgrade. Otherwise, just get the largest internal drive you can.

Thunderbolt promises to make external drives super fast, but they'll be expensive for a while. Otherwise, Firewire for external backups and archiving work is well worth the investment. I edit sometimes from FW drives with Aperture and I don't see any issues with speed.

sbattey wrote in post #12637275 (external link)
One thing you didn't really mention is video cards, Personally, I recommend you choose the upgraded option for video cards. If you are looking at the 21 inch iMAc, get the one that is more expensive than the base model. Same for the 27 inch. Graphics cards play a big role, especially if you ever plan on playing games on the iMac. Also some applications use them for processing power.

I chose the upgrade video card in my previous generation iMac, and I am SO happy I did...And since you can't change it you might as well get it to begin with.

Not sure exactly how important the video card will make actually, but it is significant enough to warrant attention. Yes, many of Apple's software packages will use the video card's VRAM and to a lesser extent the GPU, but LR will only make limited use of either.




  
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Jun 22, 2011 11:44 |  #6

bump as I'm buying one today too


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Jun 22, 2011 12:55 |  #7

MaxxuM wrote in post #12637194 (external link)
Always get the fastest/biggest CPU and HDD that you can from the get go. RAM can always be upgraded later. CPUs cannot and HDDs cost 50-90 bucks to upgrade later. 16gb IMO is usually overkill unless you are using (actual working) in big programs at the same time. Like exporting hundreds of photos in LR, editing in FCP and watching an HD movie all at the same time. I'm a power user sometimes with a dozen things going at once and I never get above 12gb and have never seen my swap file used. My CPUs (8 true cores 16 virtual) are the real limitation to be truthful.

Edit: forgot to add, 8gb is usually the sweet spot. Upgrade from OWC, not apple. 4gb just isn't enough these days. But, it can get you by if it means getting a faster CPU.

@CanonGrl01 - This is good advice. :)


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Jun 22, 2011 13:06 |  #8

Thanks. I'm going to upgrad the RAM myself, seems to be the consensus that Apple charges too much and it's easy to switch out. I just wanted more opinions (really for people to tell me it's ok to buy stock, I'd like to go into an Apple store and buy it straight away today :p ).


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Jun 22, 2011 13:19 |  #9

If you know someone that goes to school or if you have kids school age, take them with you for a discount. I think the back to school deals have already started. You'll save a couple hundred bucks :)




  
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Jun 22, 2011 13:54 |  #10

I go to school! I knew I forgot something this morning, my school I.D. I could kick myself.


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CanonGrl01 wrote in post #12639946 (external link)
I go to school! I knew I forgot something this morning, my school I.D. I could kick myself.

When I bought my iMac, they only needed the school zip code - the guy may just have been nice though..


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Jun 22, 2011 18:39 |  #12

Nah, they don't seem to worked up over it. Got the 2,199 model. Loving it already.


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CanonGrl01 wrote in post #12641421 (external link)
Nah, they don't seem to worked up over it. Got the 2,199 model. Loving it already.

Congratulations!


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Jun 22, 2011 19:29 |  #14

Grats, and have fun :)




  
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Jun 23, 2011 02:56 |  #15

1. i5 vs i7 for gaming: probably won't make a difference. Games are usually GPU-limited.

2. 2.5 vs 2.7 vs 3.1 GHz: 3.1 is 15% faster than 2.7, 2.7 is 8% faster than 2.5. I personally don't bother if it's less than 10% faster, unless the cost is only incrementally higher than the slower model (e.g. the 2.7 costs only 5% more than the 2.5).

If you can afford a 3.1, go for it, otherwise stick with 2.5 and put the remaining money elsewhere. You will be replacing this computer in a few years, 2.7 vs 2.5 isn't making it more "future-proof", whatever that means.

3. 4x2 and 2x4 is the same performance- and capacity-wise. 2x4 is better because 4GB sticks are easier to resell (for when 8GB sticks become affordable) and because you won't have to swap stuff out to get more than 8GB.

4. Assuming you do more than light editing, 4 to 8 is a noticeable difference, 8 to 16 less so. I'm satisfied with 10.

5. Internal vs external drives: for accessing a library, it probably won't make a difference. An external won't add (significantly) more latency beyond having to spin up if it went to sleep. External drives are slower when you're reading or writing large data from/to them.

6. 2.5GHz/16GB vs 2.7GHz/8GB: If they cost the same, then 2.7 since the CPU is not upgradable.




  
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