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Jun 28, 2011 11:33 |  #1

Caught this sitting at Atlantic City Airport (see thread for other aircraft at AC)

AC Aircraft https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=12671253#po​st12671253

Is this a 707?
The engines (back end) just do not look period correct?

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Jun 28, 2011 12:57 |  #2

Sure looks like one to me.

Can you make out the N number at the rear of the fuselage? Do a google search on it.


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Jun 28, 2011 13:04 |  #3

JBillings wrote in post #12671767 (external link)
Sure looks like one to me.

Can you make out the N number at the rear of the fuselage? Do a google search on it.

Great idea!

Here is what I found:

N88ZL 1965 Boeing 707-330B C/N 18928

Year built: 1965
Construction Number (C/N): 18928
Aircraft Type: Fixed wing multi engine
Number of Seats: 192
Number of Engines: 4
Engine Type: Turbojet
Engine Manufacturer and Model: P & W JT3D-3&3B

Mode S Code: 53016706
Certification Class: Standard
Certification Issued: 1986-03-19
Air Worthiness Test: 2000-01-31
Last Action Taken: 2006-03-16
Current Status: Valid


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Jun 28, 2011 13:05 |  #4

It is a 707-330B owned by Lowa Ltd

Reg is N88ZL

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Jun 28, 2011 13:06 |  #5

Yep, 707 for sure. You may be thinking the engines look 'off' if you are use to seeing current military KC-135's that have been re-engined with CMF-56 turbofan engines.


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Jun 28, 2011 13:14 |  #6

ryanapem wrote in post #12671825 (external link)
Yep, 707 for sure. You may be thinking the engines look 'off' if you are use to seeing current military KC-135's that have been re-engined with CMF-56 turbofan engines.

These engines have 'thrust reversers', and as I recall, the original 707 engine spec
did not incluse this feature.

The orig engine spec had 'thrust/exhaust' cowlings out the back.

Somewhere along the way, I think the engines got updated or replaced with
updated ones.

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Jun 28, 2011 13:40 |  #7

707 my favorite aircraft I want to see this one and N707JT. I hate it when you can't track them anymore copied from Flightaware

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This aircraft (N88ZL) is not available for tracking per request from the owner/operator


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Jun 28, 2011 15:50 |  #8

Pure jet
These are too noisy now to land at anything other than a military base here in Aus.
Looks in good shape for 46 year old plane. Good year 65


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Jun 29, 2011 03:12 as a reply to  @ Desertraptor's post |  #9

From what it appears,"appsyscons" has the engine info correct. The interesting thing about the reversers is that they appear to be identical to the ones used on the MD-80. They look as though they have the same fairings used to cover the hydraulic actuators, except rotated 90 degrees. The original 707's had pneumatic actuated reversers doors. This 707 shown has a fully ducted fan, the original 707's had a short ducted fan which TWA and AA had in that configuration, the original 707 never had this configuration. The Douglas DC-8's had the fully ducted fan configuration on their JT3D-3B engines, but without the hydraulic reverser configuration as shown in the 707 picture, they had a translating cowl in the back. Pictures shown.


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Jun 29, 2011 10:18 |  #10

MD83driver wrote in post #12675606 (external link)
From what it appears,"appsyscons" has the engine info correct. The interesting thing about the reversers is that they appear to be identical to the ones used on the MD-80. They look as though they have the same fairings used to cover the hydraulic actuators, except rotated 90 degrees. The original 707's had pneumatic actuated reversers doors. This 707 shown has a fully ducted fan, the original 707's had a short ducted fan which TWA and AA had in that configuration, the original 707 never had this configuration. The Douglas DC-8's had the fully ducted fan configuration on their JT3D-3B engines, but without the hydraulic reverser configuration as shown in the 707 picture, they had a translating cowl in the back. Pictures shown.

From file photos, this is how I remember the 707 engines looking.

From early 60's, Life Magazine


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Jun 29, 2011 14:53 |  #11

appsyscons wrote in post #12676870 (external link)
From file photos, this is how I remember the 707 engines looking.

From early 60's, Life Magazine

This is before they had the bypass fan design to quiet the engines down. If I recall, these engines used water-injection to boost thrust for take-off - they used to leave very long trails of thick black exhaust fumes on take-off.




  
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Jun 29, 2011 16:30 |  #12

In 1981 I rode on a TWA 707 from St. Louis to Kansas City. I had a window seat in front of the wing. The engines were flexing a bit in the wing pylons. Never had a concern.


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Jun 30, 2011 10:43 |  #13

gator1970 wrote in post #12678361 (external link)
This is before they had the bypass fan design to quiet the engines down. If I recall, these engines used water-injection to boost thrust for take-off - they used to leave very long trails of thick black exhaust fumes on take-off.

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