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Jun 29, 2011 05:07 |  #1

Hi, I'm an amature photographer moving from superzoom bridge camera (Canon SX10IS) to DSLR world (probably Canon 1000D or 1100D). Although I think I'm quite good at using my bridge to click pictures in complete maual mode, but my desire to have better low light picture is pulling me into DSLR.

So here are my requirements in order or priority.
- Camera and lens combination should give a decent low light performance, specially because I would click wedding pictures in indoor halls.
- I'm fond of 'Bokeh' so, f1.8 and f2.8 are very close to me. So Canon 50mm f1.8 II, is a must in my list.
- Since I have been using 20x (100mm on a 5mm tiny sensor) zoom in SX10IS (560 mm equivalent in 35mm frame), therefore I'm also looking for a decent focal length (atleast 300mm).
- Total budget $1100 (body and lens, may increase a tag here and there). Note prices in India are slightly higher than other countries.
- I rarely take wide angle shots.
- Occasionally I do macro photography as well, but I can do away with it, if my budget does not permit.
- Although I have been using very good 'IS' in SX10IS, but I'm fine to do away with it to keep the price of the lens low.
- I mostly click on all manual mode.

After spending 5 night and 2 unproductive days in office :), I could find these combination work for me. Kindly suggest any better combination you know. @ Rs 47 per $

COMBINATION 1
$410 Canon 1000D (body only), I will go for 1100D only if the image quality is better, assuming same lens used. Kindly suggest which of these two are better.
$118 Canon 50mm f1.8 II
$160 Sigma 28-70 mm f2.8-4.0 DG lens....... it has f2.8.
$247 Sigma 70-300 mm f4.0-5.6 DG APO Macro

COMBINATION 2
$410 Canon 1000D (body only)
$118 Canon 50mm f1.8 II
$215 Sigma 28-105 mm f2.8-4.0 DG lens - with this I dont have to change lens quite often.
$160 Sigma 70-300 mm f4.0-5.6 DG Macro (without APO)

COMBINATION 3
$410 Canon 1000D (body only)
$118 Canon 50mm f1.8 II
$432 Sigma 70-300 mm f4.0-5.6 DG OS Macro, given that I will have low light capability in Canon 50mm f1.8II and decent close shots with a bit of movement here and there.

Lastly, when canon or any other company specifies EF-S lens as 55-250 does it mean a full frame equivalent measurement or measurement on 'crop sensor' lens? As in 250/17.5 = 14.7 X zoom or (250*1.6) / 17.5 = 22.86


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Jun 29, 2011 05:29 |  #2

I'll let the others advise you about your choices but whether its EF or EFS lens, when they say 55-250 they mean it as the straight off focal length, ie, for a crop sensor, the EFS 55-250 is actually shooting at 88-400 equivalent of a FF camera.

Also the zoom factor is the longest focal length divided by the shortest, which in this case is 250/55 or 4.5 X zoom.


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Jun 29, 2011 05:37 |  #3

I wouldn't pick any of those combinations.

I'd go:
$669 Canon 500D with 18-55 IS kit
$118 Canon 50mm 1.8
$?(dont know how much it costs currently in India) Canon 55-250

Why?
Because the 1000D is outdated, and too basic, and not very good in low light. The 18-55 will likely give you better IQ than the 28-70. The 55-250 will give you better IQ than the 70-300.

Alternatively, replace the 500D kit with 500D body only and pick up a tamron 28-75 2.8, which will run you around $1100, and you can add the other lenses later on when you find out what you actually need that the 28-75 isn't giving you.


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Jun 29, 2011 08:23 |  #4

@Sirrith - I also felt that 1000D is just ok in low light. Even in normal conditions it does not click excellent pics. But do you think its worth spending additional 50% for 500D? Is the IQ and low light performance so different. Why would cams with same sensor size deliver different low light capabilities? I'm partially sold on your idea of 500D, but still confused on the lens combination. 28-75 f2.8 is going way over my budget.


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Jun 29, 2011 08:36 |  #5

I agree with Sirrith, you'd be better off buying a better body and one lens, say the 50 1.8 and saving for additional lenses down the road. You can pick up a 50D body and 50mm 1.8 lens from the Canon refurb store for about $800, which would get you going and you'd have $300 left to put toward a lens. You can get the 55-250 from the Canon store for $239.




  
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Jun 29, 2011 08:49 |  #6

@ rick: you mean 500D and Canon f1.8 right? not 50D?


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Jun 29, 2011 09:13 |  #7

I wouldn't go for the 1000D if I were you. I see you have $1100 to spend, you should look for an used one with lens on the forum. That way you can get a better body with decent lens. Used 40D or 50D will be my pick~!


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Jun 29, 2011 09:19 |  #8

Pupu wrote in post #12676482 (external link)
@ rick: you mean 500D and Canon f1.8 right? not 50D?

No he means the 50D, because if you only get the 50mm 1.8, then you have about $1000 left over just for the body.

And if you get the tamron 28-75 2.8 + the canon 500D, that's within budget for you as long as you don't get the other lenses.


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Jun 29, 2011 11:26 |  #9

I would forget the 1000D and go with a used T2i (550D?) kit (18-55) and add the 55-250mm.

If I had to buy this in the U.S., it would cost me less than $600 total, but I don't know in your country. At that point you can always grab an used 50mm prime to compensate for low light, without having to crank up the ISO, but I am yet to see a wedding photographer without a flash :)


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Jun 29, 2011 12:29 |  #10

atlrus wrote in post #12677234 (external link)
I would forget the 1000D and go with a used T2i (550D?) kit (18-55) and add the 55-250mm.

If I had to buy this in the U.S., it would cost me less than $600 total, but I don't know in your country.

get 550D /T2i- 15-55IS - 55-250IS combination




  
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Jun 29, 2011 12:52 |  #11

I largely agree with other advice.... 550D, 500D would be nice cameras to start out with. But, in truth the camera body you choose is less important than the lenses you choose. The lenses make the photos, the camera just captures what the lens sees and many of the DSLRs from the last couple years will do a fantastic job.

It sounds as if you are on a tight budget. That being the case, look for a kit with lens(es). Those are often your best deal, especially if they are a Canon OEM kit. Be a little wary of retailer-assembled kits with third party lenses... unless it's a very reputible retailer. These can be good deals... but sometimes are rip-offs.

Canon often offers the 18-55 IS with their Rebel/Kiss series cameras. The also often offer a two lens kit, with the 55-250 IS as the second lens. Both these are entry-level lenses, but should be fine to start out. If you have a particular interest in low light and portraiture, the 50/1.8 is an entry-level lens that's a low cost introduction to using prime lenses (not a zoom). None of these are high end, great build quality, not fast focusing... but they are all capable of pretty darned good image quality when used right.

Try not to load yourself up with too much to start. Learn a little at a time and add things in the future as you discover what you need. But there are some other things you definitely should consider and perhaps budget for... some immediately, others relatively soon...

Memory Cards
Extra battery(ies)
Flash
Tripod
Lens hoods (Canon lenses don't come with hoods, except for the expensive L-series)
Camera bag/backpack to carry and protect your gear
Software for post-processing (some comes with the camera, might be adequate for a while)
Additional hard disk storage space for your computer
Additional RAM for computer to speed up handling image files, due to size and volume
Memory card reader (better than downloading from the camera... some computers have built-in)
Photo quality printer (if you want to make prints... you can send out files for printing, though, if you only rarely make prints)
Graphics quality monitor (can get by with some better consumer grade monitors for a while)
Monitor calibration device and software (ideally... this saves a lot of printing supplies, paper and ink, in the long run)
Books about photography: "Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson, the Magic Lantern (or similar) guide book for the specific camera model you get

You might have some of the above items from using with your P&S camera... If compatible with the new camera you get. But, if any are urgent needs, you might have to scale back a little elsewhere (such as one less lens or a cheaper camera model)

You mention wedding photos in particular... Are you talking about just taking some snaps at friends' events, or actually going into business doing this? If the latter, forget all the above and plan to spend a great deal more. To shoot weddings professinally, you really need two cameras, a couple flashes, and better lenses (mostly, more durable and larger aperture lenses). $1100 equiv. is nowhere near enough for this sort of thing. You might be able to second shoot for an established photographer with a bit less gear, but still will likely need some pretty expensive lenses.

Lens focal lengths do not change at all, whether a lens is EF-S/crop specific or full frame capable. If you had two lenses that were 50mm... one is for crop and the other for full frame, but both fit on your camera, they would perform identically. The difference would be that the 50mm lens for crop would likely be smaller and lighter - perhaps even a little less expensive - since it doesn't need to produce as large diameter an image behind it, since the sensor is smaller.

While the focal length doesn't change, the way it performs on crop or full frame differs. For example, that same 50mm is a "standard" lens on full frame. Put it on a cropper that only uses the central portion of the lens and it acts like a short telephoto. If on the other hand you used it on a medium format camera with even larger image area than what we call "full frame", a 50mm would instead be a wide angle lens. The lens might need to be designed differently for use on different formats. But, again, the focal length doesn't change.

In other words, the crop sensor cameras you are considering can use both EF-S and EF lenses (or third party "crop" and "full frame")... But a 50mm is a 50mm is a 50mm... 28mm is 28mm is 28mmm... 100mm is 100mm is 100mm... etc.

If you have never shot with 35mm film cameras and don't have preconceived notions about how lenses will perform, you really don't need to worry very much about these things. Just know that, on the cameras you're considering:

10mm to about 15mm are ultra wide to pretty darned wide angle.
16mm to 24mm are wide to slightly wide.
28 to 35mm are approximately "normal" or "standard" lens.
50mm to about 85mm are shorter telephotos.
90mm to 135mm are moderate telephotos.
150 to 200mm are pretty long tele lenses.
Anything over 200mm is a really long telephoto.

You mention that your P&S had a lens the equivalent of 560mm on 35mm film. Well, in theory you'd need a 300mm or slightly longer lens on the cameras you're considering, to get similar focal length. However, what you aren't taking into account is that the much bigger sensor of the DSLR will give you much cleaner images and the ability to crop the image a bit, probably a lot and still equal or exceed the image quality of the P&S camera. So you might not really need to match the focal length. 250mm is pretty darned long on crop sensor camera (equal to the angle of view performance of a 400mm lens on full frame/35mm film). Only one of the more expensive 300mm lenses you listed above have stabilization... This is something very handy to have on a long telephoto lens, for handholding your shots. The Canon 55-250 has IS, for a considerably lower price than the 70-300mm lens you listed, especially if you get a deal on the Canon lens in a kit.


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Jun 29, 2011 13:50 |  #12

Combination 2 serves well.




  
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Jun 30, 2011 07:02 |  #13

Last night I spent on researching on 500D and the 550D, seems 500D is a good bet. Thank you all for the suggestions. But most of the reviews suggest to go for 450D as it's pretty much the same except the HD video and large viewfinder, bright lcd. I definately don't aspire to shoot movies with a DSLR. Unfortunately I could not find a single online shop in India, which sells 450D.
If we keep aside the telephoto lens for a while, since I'm talking about indoor and wedding photography (the rooms and wedding halls would rarely be more than the reach of 75mm),50mm f1.8 should serve the purpose. As for wide angle, I guess most of the potraits and wedding pics are rarely clicked 'normal wide'. Though Canon 17-55 IS is fairly good (as suggested by most of you) for but its starts at F3.5, not sure if its fairly fast for low light.
So for now may be I can go ahead with a 500D and 50mm f1.8. may be after couple of weeks of trial if I feel I need a 17-55 or 17-85, then I will get a Tamron 17-55 f2.8 otherwise a telephoto lens with OS/IS/VC.

BTW is there any 17-105mm f2.8 lens available for Canon mount APS-C. Not very expensive may be around $475-$525. Also is there a IS version of Canon 70-300 mm?

@amfoto1: Thanks for providing an additional perspective on the accessories and equipments. I have most of them. As of now I would be a 'non-contracted wedding photographer'. You know birthday parties and weddings of relatives :-) I do understand that for Pro wedding photography I would need a lot to spend and experiance.


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Jun 30, 2011 07:24 |  #14

I also wouldn't choose any of your option, I'd suggest:
EOS 500D
EF-S 18-55 + EF-S 55-250 + EF 50 f/1.8 II


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