Californians, Say Good Bye to Amazon, B&H, Adorama,...

Poe wrote in post #12688937
All the law does is declare that by having affiliates in CA, you have a presence in CA and must collect and remit sales tax to the FTB/Treasury. Since Amazon discontinued their affiliate program, it means that Amazon does not have to collect or remit sales tax. Amazon is unaffected, but the affiliates and the tax money that came from the commissions under the program has been affected, due to these tax law changes.

I'm astounded by the amount of misinformation being passed around here on this thread.

Then there's this, of course: "California's new requirement will generate badly needed state revenue and send a signal to Congress that "we want to see a national solution" to the issue of taxing Internet sales, Dombrowski said."

Cited from the OP's link.

dog rocket wrote in post #12688965
OK, so now you are agreeing with me. It has a cost and it is burdensome. That was my point. And apparently, at some point the supreme court agreed with me that that burden should not fall on the retailer. I'm not specifically speaking up in defense of the large retail guys like Amazon, et al. I am a proponent of small business and the ones this will most affect are the online small businesses, wrt to administration and costs. Whether it helps local small businesses is up for debate. It will likely help WallyMart and other huge local retailers more. Funny how WalMart is the shadow whispering "help your brick & morter, help your brick & morter with this legislation". This could possibly have a worse affect for small business as a whole, not better...

Not neccesarily agreeing with you, there is a cost, but its not that much of a burden compared to the benefits you get from onine marketing.

The #1 benefit of online marketing is no sales tax.
Remove that and a grand number (mostly the smaller businesses) will cease and desist.
Can we agree on that?

dog rocket wrote in post #12689092
The #1 benefit of online marketing is no sales tax.
Remove that and a grand number (mostly the smaller businesses) will cease and desist.
Can we agree on that?

No, not at all. The number one benefit for online marketing is access to broader markets and the ability to sell specialty products in larger volume. I dont buy flash accessories from flash zebra for instance simply because of the savings, but because he can carry a level of product that exceeds any local store. If I had to pay and additional 5% he would still beat the meager offerings I have locally.

You are not grasping the concept of small business.
I'm not understanding your post. Care to re-word it?

dog rocket wrote in post #12689277
You are not grasping the concept of small business.

And you arent grasping the vast marketing power of the internet.

So, if WalMart had your product locally for 5% less than your online mom and pop and you had to pay sales tax for both, you would still buy from online mom and pop? I do this now for my Oil and Fuel filters (Geno's Garage). I already pay a premium for the convenience of having it delivered and I like helping out an independent. Will sales tax (someday) on that put me over the top to buying there? hmmm... I'll have to think about that.

WalMart would not exist but for penny pinching Americans choosing dollars over small business. And they've done quite well with that thankyouverymuch.

gonzo, go back and reword your sentence on #94 so I can understand it and better communicate back to you.

"I dont buy flash accessories from flash zebra for instance. because of the savings, but because he can carry a level of product that exceeds any local store."

dog rocket wrote in post #12689340
gonzo, go back and reword your sentence on #94 so I can understand it and better communicate back to you.

"I dont buy flash accessories from flash zebra for instance. because of the savings, but because he can carry a level of product that exceeds any local store."

Done

dog rocket wrote in post #12689323
So, if Wall Mart had your product locally for 5% less than your online mom and pop and you had to pay sales tax for both, you would still buy from online mom and pop? I do this now for my Oil and Fuel filters (Geno's Garage). I already pay a premium for the convenience of having it delivered and I like helping out an independent. Will sales tax (someday) on that put me over the top to buying there? hmmm... I'll have to think about that.

Wall Mart would not exist but for penny pinching Americans choosing dollars over small business. And they've done quite well with that thankyouverymuch.

It would be stupid of me to enter a market where I was competing with walmart, either online or brick and mortar. Their access to volume leveraging and their remarkable distribution system make it folly to try to compete with them. My Brother in Law works in one of their distribution centers and they are the very definition of logistics. This is why so many internet startups failed, who would buy pet food online when its more easily obtained locally? Other than someone with the marketing clout and bigfoot presence of amazon can compete with walmart, the rest should stick to online sales of products that are outside the competition of the big box stores.

dog rocket wrote in post #12689323
WalMart would not exist but for penny pinching Americans choosing dollars over small business. And they've done quite well with that thankyouverymuch.

What's wrong with a company being able to offer the same product at a lower price?

gonzogolf wrote in post #12689383
It would be stupid of me to enter a market where I was competing with walmart, either online or brick and mortar. Their access to volume leveraging and their remarkable distribution system make it folly to try to compete with them. My Brother in Law works in one of their distribution centers and they are the very definition of logistics. This is why so many internet startups failed, who would buy pet food online when its more easily obtained locally? Other than someone with the marketing clout and bigfoot presence of amazon should stick to online sales of products that are outside the competition of the big box stores.

Oh, man, this is my last attempt. Small business CAN compete and they ARE competing online, but not charging sales tax is a big part of their ability to. You think all small businesses should now just sell niche products? That's what you are saying! Sorry, I don't buy into that. Small businesses need every advantage they can get to stay alive and sales tax savings is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE advantage for them there.

I'm done for now. Got to get back to my small, one man business...

Poe wrote in post #12689433
What's wrong with a company being able to offer the same product at a lower price?

Really? I'm surrounded by small towns with empty buildings along main street. You ought to get out of Fresno sometime and take a drive along hwy 49...

dog rocket wrote in post #12689472
Oh, man, this is my last attempt. Small business CAN compete and they ARE competing online, but not charging sales tax is a big part of their ability to. You think all small businesses should now just sell niche products? That's what you are saying! Sorry, I don't buy into that. Small businesses need every advantage they can get to stay alive and sales tax savings is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE advantage for them there.

I'm done for now. Got to get back to my small, one man business...

If you are living or dying in the margin of a 5% (or less) sales tax, then long term you've got bigger problems.

Brick wall, dude. I'm done.