Elinchrom Users Only (Mark III) [Abandon hope all ye who enter]

Catatonia13 wrote in post #12745877
Cheers for the assurance, I've got the 220v version too, much better build than the dlite

Well I guess I won't ask if you like the deep throat octa then

I have one Dlite. The BXRi is bi voltage. You can use 110 (america) or 220 (everywhere else it seems)

sigma pi wrote in post #12745616
Damn! that is in Wisconsin?

yes.. the falls extend up about 6 feet higher than her head. It's off a lagoon; seems to have water running all the time.

aaron.dunlap wrote in post #12745876
So what is this "character" that the DO has over a non-deep octa? I can appreciate that there is a time and place for using an octabox with a grid and without, but as far as deep vs. non-deep, is it more of an efficiency thing, or is there a real difference in light shape/falloff/etc?

That's a great question.

For me, that character might also be called 'punch'. There is an interesting and attractive balance between soft diffused light and a more contrasty, harder (less diffused) light, and by feathering and working with that contrast and the falloff from center to edge, you can get some absolutely beautiful light.

That's not to say that you can't use the same techniques and get gorgeous light with other modifiers. You can. I found that as I trained my eye to see and recognize different qualities of light, I could more easily see that punch. It's most noticeable when you use only the inner layer of diffusion but there are some other combinations that give similar results.

While I've never done a real world comparison, I would guess that if you took a standard 39" octa and a 39" deep octa you would in fact see a difference. Most people find it pleasing and some could care less and are perfectly happy with standard octa's. If soft light is all someone cares about then I see no need to get the deep octa and that's an important thing to consider. It is right for you? Only you know that.

It should be noted that the quality or character that I see as 'punchy' is lost once you pull back more than about twice the diameter of the box. Beyond that the benefit is a focused and efficient light source but that's about it. The same is true of a beauty dish. Use it up close and you get that really great beauty dish character. Pull it back and it's just a large reflector producing hard light.

hawk911 wrote in post #12746121
yes.. the falls extend up about 6 feet higher than her head. It's off a lagoon; seems to have water running all the time.

Wow crazy! I thought wisconsin was just like flat and lakes.

sigma pi wrote in post #12746189
Wow crazy! I thought wisconsin was just like flat and lakes.

Yes, but you also thought you could shoot without a camera.. LOLOL

aaron.dunlap wrote in post #12745792
Hmm... these creative light modifiers are growing on me... for the price of a 39" rotalux DO you can get a similar octa and a 50° grid... curse you all, I'm trying to save for a BD....

you're in the wrong thread if you thought you were done buying gear, these guys are very convincing

TMR Design wrote in post #12746154
That's a great question.

For me, that character might also be called 'punch'. There is an interesting and attractive balance between soft diffused light and a more contrasty, harder (less diffused) light, and by feathering and working with that contrast and the falloff from center to edge, you can get some absolutely beautiful light.

That's not to say that you can't use the same techniques and get gorgeous light with other modifiers. You can. I found that as I trained my eye to see and recognize different qualities of light, I could more easily see that punch. It's most noticeable when you use only the inner layer of diffusion but there are some other combinations that give similar results.

While I've never done a real world comparison, I would guess that if you took a standard 39" octa and a 39" deep octa you would in fact see a difference. Most people find it pleasing and some could care less and are perfectly happy with standard octa's. If soft light is all someone cares about then I see no need to get the deep octa and that's an important thing to consider. It is right for you? Only you know that.

It should be noted that the quality or character that I see as 'punchy' is lost once you pull back more than about twice the diameter of the box. Beyond that the benefit is a focused and efficient light source but that's about it. The same is true of a beauty dish. Use it up close and you get that really great beauty dish character. Pull it back and it's just a large reflector producing hard light.

Ah, that totally makes sense. In essence, a deep octa then gives a more "beauty dish" like quality to the light, at a price point (and with portability) that is much more reasonable than a similarly *sized* beauty dish. So rather than getting a 45" BD, a 39" DO could give similar results when used properly.

Okie dokie.... $350 more to add to the list.....

TMR Design wrote in post #12746195
Yes, but you also thought you could shoot without a camera.. LOLOL

And I did

FJ LOVE wrote in post #12746208
you're in the wrong thread if you thought you were done buying gear, these guys are very convincing

aaron.dunlap wrote in post #12746309
Ah, that totally makes sense. In essence, a deep octa then gives a more "beauty dish" like quality to the light, at a price point (and with portability) that is much more reasonable than a similarly *sized* beauty dish. So rather than getting a 45" BD, a 39" DO could give similar results when used properly.

Okie dokie.... $350 more to add to the list.....

and there it is!

sigma pi wrote in post #12746322
and there it is!

it took 18 minutes, i think that's a new record around here

now I know why I stay outta this thread most of the time

hawk911 wrote in post #12746421
now I know why I stay outta this thread most of the time

With good reason. I try to avoid martin also

sigma pi wrote in post #12746444
With good reason. I try to avoid martin also

just because the hoarder from Australia isn't here, you try to single me out, nice

We don't twist anyone's arm around here. We just present very compelling and substantive information.

FJ LOVE wrote in post #12746475
just because the hoarder from Australia isn't here, you try to single me out, nice

...............

TMR Design wrote in post #12746480
We don't twist anyone's arm around here. We just present very compelling and substantive information.

for sure! now back to strips!