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Canon 5D /20D Viewfinder Magnification Comparision

 
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Oct 18, 2005 20:22 |  #1

I just bought a 5D and I also just picked up my latest copy of Pop Photo and in their quick review they state that although the 5D's viewfinder has 96% accuracy, is bright etc, the "bad news" according to them is that the viewfinder has a "relatively low magnification of only 0.71x, unlike the excellent 0.94x on the EOS 20D..."

My question is... (a) what is "viewfinder magnification" and (b) how really important a thing is it on a camera like the 5D? That is to say, I've upgraded from a 20D to the 5D.. am I really missing anything important?


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Oct 18, 2005 21:00 |  #2

What they more than likely mean is what you see in the viewfinder is a 71% view (5D) and 94% view (20D) of what the sensor actually captures.



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Oct 18, 2005 21:13 as a reply to  @ wolf's post |  #3

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What they more than likely mean is what you see in the viewfinder is a 71% view (5D) and 94% view (20D) of what the sensor actually captures.

You know, if you think about that, the 71% figure is silly and totally inaccurate.

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Oct 18, 2005 21:31 |  #4

I would think that the 5D has a smaller magnification factor because it has a larger sensor. If it had a larger magnification than the 20D you'd have to use both eyes to cover it. The actual viewfinder is larger on the 5D than the 20D at 71%.

The coverage of what the sensor capture quoting Canon's webpage is "Approx. 96% horizontally and vertically (coverage against JPEG Large)" and the 20D is "Approx. 95% vertically and horizontally (Coverage against JPEG Large)" one percent less. The 1D's are 100%.




  
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Oct 18, 2005 22:33 as a reply to  @ robertwgross's post |  #5

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You know, if you think about that, the 71% figure is silly and totally inaccurate.

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The magnification varies depending on the focal length of your lens. More zoom, more magnification. So the magnification specs are standardised, to whatever you see with a 50mm lens on the camera (or with an integrated lens set to its 50mm-equivalent setting). A 35mm film camera with a 1X-magnification viewfinder and a 50mm lens on it will show you things through the finder the same size as you see them with your unaided eye.


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Oct 18, 2005 22:42 as a reply to  @ wolf's post |  #6

Let's get one thing perfectly straight.

When you look through the viewfinder of any Canon EOS camera, you will see something between 94% and 100% of what is being captured on the sensor or film frame. The exact percentage varies from one body to another, but it is certainly not 71% under any conditions, with any lens.

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Oct 18, 2005 22:47 as a reply to  @ wolf's post |  #7

Viewfinder Magnification tells you if things look as big looking through the viewfinder as they do when you just look at it.

Put a 50mm lens on the 5d. (Why? Just because that is the standard.)

Put your right eye up to the viewfinder.

Keep your left eye open.

Notice that the things seen with the right eye are 71% the size as the same things seen with the left eye.

That, puppy, is a 71% (or .71, if you perfer) viewfinder magnificaiton.

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Oct 18, 2005 23:48 |  #8

Good summary Radtech1

The following is a nice article that discusses viewfinder magnification.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/​sm-03-03-16.shtml (external link)

X refers to magnification, % refers to coverage ... i.e., 0.71X, 97%


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Oct 19, 2005 08:24 |  #9

Guys I stand corrected, thanks for the input.




  
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Oct 19, 2005 09:28 as a reply to  @ davepgh1's post |  #10

Thanks everyone for your input. I really appreciate the help. I tried the 50mm test and yes, I can now totally understand the concept. Its nice to report that I don't feel that I'm missing anything at all. It's a great camera and I'm now loving my 16-35 f/2.8 lens as a true wide angle!

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Oct 19, 2005 11:20 as a reply to  @ wolf's post |  #11
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wolf wrote:
What they more than likely mean is what you see in the viewfinder is a 71% view (5D) and 94% view (20D) of what the sensor actually captures.

What that means is that because the 5D is a FF sensor, in order to have more of your subject viewed vs. the 20D, they have to magnify what you see less (maybe the space you see through the viewfinder in the 20D and 5D are the same). Since the 20D is a 1.6x crop, there is room to magnify what what be recorded so it can take up more room in the viewfinder giving you much better visibility for say manual focusing.

So in the 20D you are seeing nearly what your eye sees 0.94x, and in the 5D things look smaller than 1:1 to fit it all in the viewfinder 0.71x which is near the 1-series and Drebel.


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Oct 19, 2005 11:40 as a reply to  @ Hellashot's post |  #12

Let me ask this question, then:
Which is more important, the view accuracy of the viewfinder or the magnification factor?

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Oct 19, 2005 12:49 as a reply to  @ robertwgross's post |  #13

[QUOTE=robertwgross]Le​t me ask this question, then:
Which is more important, the view accuracy of the viewfinder or the magnification factor?

The 100% LCD screen as on the 20Da, because then neither of the above matter.


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Oct 19, 2005 12:50 as a reply to  @ photodd's post |  #14

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robertwgross wrote:
Let me ask this question, then:
Which is more important, the view accuracy of the viewfinder or the magnification factor?

The 100% LCD screen as on the 20Da, because then neither of the above matter.

And have you seen it? More to the point, have you seen the limitations it brings?


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Oct 19, 2005 12:53 |  #15

I always thought a P & S type LCD, like on my G3, would be nice on a DSLR.


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