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Canon 10-22mm or Tokina 11-16mm?

 
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Jul 06, 2011 14:03 |  #31

w00tabulous! wrote in post #12713976 (external link)
lol, but the flare thingy scares me a bit, though..

You have to keep in mind what sort of conditions you'll be shooting under. If you're not going to have strong light sources directly in or just outside of the frame, this would be less of a concern.

The 11-16 would probably not have handled this situation as well:

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Whereas, it would have been fine here:
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As with any lens choice, it depends on what features/functions are more important to you. If you shoot indoors, or in other situations where you need a ton of light allowed through, the the Tokina's likely your better bet, regardless of flare resistance, for the f/2.8.

When I get out to the ocean, I wind up shooting into the sun a lot, but from a tripod; so flare resistance and colors were more of a concern to me than a large aperture.

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Jul 06, 2011 14:18 |  #32

Snydremark wrote in post #12714226 (external link)
You have to keep in mind what sort of conditions you'll be shooting under. If you're not going to have strong light sources directly in or just outside of the frame, this would be less of a concern.

The 11-16 would probably not have handled this situation as well:
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Whereas, it would have been fine here:
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As with any lens choice, it depends on what features/functions are more important to you. If you shoot indoors, or in other situations where you need a ton of light allowed through, the the Tokina's likely your better bet, regardless of flare resistance, for the f/2.8.

When I get out to the ocean, I wind up shooting into the sun a lot, but from a tripod; so flare resistance and colors were more of a concern to me than a large aperture.

This is a great post, especially the two pictures posted as examples.

I can honestly say that the tokina 11-16 won't fare well in the first one, but will have no problem at all for the 2nd.


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Jul 06, 2011 14:29 |  #33

genjurok wrote in post #12714302 (external link)
This is a great post, especially the two pictures posted as examples.

I can honestly say that the tokina 11-16 won't fare well in the first one, but will have no problem at all for the 2nd.

Yup; and in the second shot, the Tokina could arguably performed a little better due to being able to shoot much wider open and drop the DoF more to reduce clarity of the background more. DoF 10mm @ f/4.0 approx 7ft, potentially could have used 3.5 and approx 5ft; whereas the Tok could have been used @ 11mm and approx DoF of 3ft. But I don't shoot that type of shot often enough to for that to have made the difference in the purchase.


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Jul 06, 2011 16:17 |  #34

Thanks Snydremark for the great examples and explanation. Really appreaciated!

And people always tought me not to shoot directly into the sun haha :D


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Jul 06, 2011 16:39 |  #35

w00tabulous! wrote in post #12714961 (external link)
Thanks Snydremark for the great examples and explanation. Really appreaciated!

And people always tought me not to shoot directly into the sun haha :D

I didn't say it was SMART ;)


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Jul 06, 2011 21:41 |  #36

Here is a quick direct in-the-sun shot with the tokina on the 1D4, lots of glare fun!


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Jul 06, 2011 22:39 |  #37

Tokina all the way. $200 cheaper than the Canon with constant 2.8 and very nice built quality. And the good news is it keep up with 17-55/2.8 IS in the sharpness department. I don't shoot directly to light source so flare issue is not a problem to me. I have an impression that the color prduced from Tokina 11-16 is a little more saturated (i.e. closer to what I see from L lenses in general) than the Canon 10-22 produceds. Someone corret me if this is not true.


I reallly can't convience myself to pay $200 more for a non-constant slower lens although the IQ of the Canon is very good.


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Jul 06, 2011 23:00 as a reply to  @ post 12713989 |  #38

another vote for Tokina. sharp, sharp, sharp, well built, and widely available(at least in Vancouver, BC). by far the lens to have the most fun with, and it's not gimmicky like a fish eye. A+++, would buy again. :D


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Jul 06, 2011 23:11 as a reply to  @ BirdsofBC's post |  #39

Nobody's mentioned the Tokina 12-24mm. It's only f4, but the extra range can be more useful, depending on what you are shooting. It's also nearly $300 cheaper than the Canon 10-22mm.


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Jul 07, 2011 03:08 as a reply to  @ Stanjk3's post |  #40

Nice shot of the Oldsmobile:grin: love the sharpness and colours , I am also trying to choose between the tokina and the canon and maybe the sigma 8-16:rolleyes:


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Jul 07, 2011 06:01 |  #41

w00tabulous! wrote in post #12713880 (external link)
So i guess the choice isn't easy after all ;)

Mainly i will use the lens outdoor during daylight shooting landscapes and so.

Which means that the advantage of the Tokina (f2.8) won't be relevant, whilst it's main disadvantages (flare and CA) will be.

I own both, but it's the Canon that comes outdoors in daylight.


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Jul 07, 2011 08:56 |  #42

Thanks all again!
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@ TeamSpeed: So this flare isn't always a problem :eek: Nice shot!

@ N.V.M: Really a nice shot there indeed. I see some blur just above the car, is that cauze of the sun / heat, or due image editing or something?

@ Hollis_f: Thanks, this and some other topic's made me aware of that fact. Thanks for sharing this info. Really good to know.


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Jul 07, 2011 08:59 |  #43

Flare is an issue if you have the sun located in the frame or on the very edges of the frame. I notice more flare when the sun is almost off the frame and hitting the bulbous front element at an angle. Then you will get the multiple flare "spheres" across your frame. Using the hood will help reduce or eliminate some of the incident flare though.

Example: The sun was off to the left, and I have residual flare in the lower left part of the frame. You have to look a bit to see it. If the sun was more in front of me, it would have been more pronounced.

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Jul 07, 2011 09:23 |  #44

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I own the Tokina and use it with a 7d. I bought the Tokina because of the crop factor on the 7d and for the money it's a very fast lens.

I think the Canon, for what you get is overpriced.

Get the Tokina, you won't be disappointed.

Don't forget Tokina is a spin-off of Nikon.

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? They are a partnership of Kenko and Hoya

I think I read somewhere that the guys who started Tokina originally worked for Nikon in the lens department.


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Jul 07, 2011 10:16 |  #45

Thnx TeamSpeed! Very nice, especially the first one. I notice the 'flare' on the car in the left bottom corner, but it was not something i saw immediately ;)


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