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Jul 08, 2011 00:38 |  #1

As some may already know, I technically have a fresh start at rebuilding my DSLR kit. Here's the back story: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1061272

So... basically, I no longer have any Canon bodies and lenses. My close friends, cousin, and sister all use Canon but I've been contemplating going with Nikon (D700, I want full frame not crop). Reasons?

1) Better flash system.
2) Better AF (D700 vs 5D2)
3) Weather sealing

Along with that, the M9 has become my primary camera even before the accident. Before the switch to the M9, 99% of my shooting including paid work were done with primes. The only time I need an SLR kit, for the time being, is if I need to use flash or if I need to shoot products (close focus). Now my close friend and I are business partners and we share our gear. His kit consists of 5Dc, 7D, 35/2, 50/1.4, 85/1.8, 28-70L, and 70-200/4L non-IS which covers all of our needs. My cousin has a 40D and 50/1.8 and 28-135. Sister has a 20D w/kit lens. I can pretty borrow their gear whenever needed. If I rebuild my DSLR kit, I'm going to go all zooms. Leica and Zeiss primes on the M9 are unbeatable.

Now with that said, should I even consider Nikon since I'm already so "invested" in Canon? The better flash system, AF, and weather sealing would be great and from what I've seen Nikon's 24-70 is sharper than the 24-70L. So what does everyone think? If I stay with Canon what should I get to replace my gear? I mainly shoot people (portrait, model, actor head shots, and weddings) but also do product shots for work (which uses a Nikon D40x with studio flashes).

Additional info, gear I've owned previously or shot extensively with before:
Bodies: 20D, 40D, 7D, 5D, 5D2, 1Ds2
Lenses: 35/2, 50/1.4, 85/1.8, 35L, 50L, 28-135 IS, 17-40L, 24-70L, 70-200/2.8L non-IS

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Jul 08, 2011 01:33 |  #2

A tricky question, for a beginner that's starting out and with a community around him using a given system, I'll definitely recommend them to invest into the same system.

I agree with you on the first point, Nikon does have a better flash system, both wired and wireless (Their off camera flash cord, is so much better than Canon's). However, once you invest into third party flash solution like Pocket Wizard, the game pretty much even out.

In my opinion, Canon and Nikon are really not so different from each other, sure they have all these differences on paper that you can put on the table and argue about it but once you put them to use, it's really not that different. At least that's what I think and for my application.

If you really want to try out Nikon, by all mean go for it, I doubt you'll regret with either system.


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Jul 08, 2011 03:37 |  #3

I think you're right Nicholas, in regards to the two systems being not all that different. It's rare to get a chance to start over. Selling the vast majority of my Canon gear to switch to Leica was easy and I intended to rebuild at a later time. But with the unexpected demise of the rest of my Canon gear, the opportunity to change sides is "affordable" (probably not the right word).




  
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Jul 08, 2011 06:11 |  #4

I feel you, absolutely, having a chance to re-pick your system is not an everyday opportunity. I use Canon because I started out when Canon is "great", recently years Nikon had turn the tide and at least people on the internet buzz about their superior focusing, file quality, lenses and absolutely everything else.

If you think you like Nikon more than Canon now, today. I really suggest you to just follow your feeling because at the end of the day, as the investment pill up again, you will have to live with the decision you made initially.


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Jul 08, 2011 06:20 |  #5
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bsaber wrote in post #12723125 (external link)
As some may already know, I technically have a fresh start at rebuilding my DSLR kit. Here's the back story: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1061272

So... basically, I no longer have any Canon bodies and lenses. My close friends, cousin, and sister all use Canon but I've been contemplating going with Nikon (D700, I want full frame not crop). Reasons?

(was you joking when you said this?):rolleyes:
1) Better flash system.
2) Better AF (D700 vs 5D2)
3) Weather sealing

Any input would be great! :)

One questtion why do all your family choice Canon? and you want Nikon?;)

Nikon is junk IMO


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Jul 08, 2011 07:31 |  #6

I'm not a professional, but a little over a year ago I decided to change systems in order to be able to effectively capture sports action. I looked at Canon & Nikon & chose Canon for the following reasons:

1. My daughter is an aspiring pro, still in school, & has Canon gear. Being on the same system allows us to share gear, which has come in very handy. Of course, since she's still in college, this really means that she can confiscate my gear or just use it when she comes home for a weekend without lugging hers. :)

2. After doing my research I believe strongly that Canon has the best overall lens lineup, quality and money all considered. A perfect example is the 85mm f1.8 USM. I don't believe there is a better lens made for anywhere close to $400. The lens is outstanding in the gym and for portraits alike. Another is the 100mm USM macro. I picked it up used for $300 and the quality is exceptional.

3. I believe that Canon has the best overall body lineup for sports action with the MIV, MIII & the 7D.


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Jul 08, 2011 08:36 |  #7

I used only Nikons from the mid 1960's until 1995, when i sensed Nikon was losing the race. I think they are back now, and if I didn't have such an "investment" in Canon gear I'd take a serious look at Nikon.




  
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Jul 08, 2011 16:13 |  #8

CanonEOS wrote in post #12723853 (external link)
One questtion why do all your family choice Canon? and you want Nikon?;)

Nikon is junk IMO

There are some fantastic people on POTN offering all kinds of useful information and advice. Putting you on my ignore list should make it easier to find them :lol:


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Jul 08, 2011 16:27 |  #9

Have you taken a look at Nikon's zoom lenses and prices? From what I've seen, they're:

A: More expensive within the same range
B: More limited as far as large/constant aperture lenses

Of course, the question that comes to mind is, if you're happy with the M9 and can borrow pretty much any/all of the Canon equipment you could need, why do you feel the need to duplicate all of that by building back your dSLR kit at all? Wouldn't that money be more effective finishing out or working toward finishing out your M9 kit?


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Jul 08, 2011 19:55 |  #10

As Canon updates their zooms, though, prices rise to compete with or exceed Nikon's -- compare the Canon 70-200 IS mk2 vs the Nikon eg.

Nikon is rumored to finally be coming out with a 70-200 f/4 VR, though it's also rumored that they won't be refreshing the embarrassingly outdated 135 f/2 DC.


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Jul 08, 2011 22:55 |  #11

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As Canon updates their zooms, though, prices rise to compete with or exceed Nikon's -- compare the Canon 70-200 IS mk2 vs the Nikon eg.

Nikon is rumored to finally be coming out with a 70-200 f/4 VR, though it's also rumored that they won't be refreshing the embarrassingly outdated 135 f/2 DC.

Ok...this WAS going to be a short response, but it's turned into an interesting comparison...:p

Mostly looks to be a draw, and I take back my earlier comment on Nikon being "limited" on fixed, wide aperture lenses...it actually looks like a push, for the most part.

Canon 70-200 MkII: $2379
Nikon 70-200 MkII: $2319

Canon 24-105 f/4 IS: $1149
Nikon 24-120 f/4 VR: $1169

Pretty close, there...

Canon 16-35 f/2.8: $1699
Nikon 17-35 f/2.8: $1799

Canon 24-70 f/2.8: $1429
Nikon 24-70 f/2.8: $1849

Canon 17-40 f/4: $848
Nikon 16-35 f/4 VR: $1149

Canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS: $1119
Nikon 17-55 f/2.8: $1539

Canon 70-200 f/4: Exists, in both non-IS and IS models
Nikon 70-200 f/4: Rumored to be coming, sometime

Canon 70-200 f/2.8: $1419
Nikon 80-200 f/2.8: $1224

Canon 200-400 f/4 w/1.4x TC built in: Stated to be released; no projected price yet
Nikon 200-400 f/4 VRII: $7399

Canon 14mm f/2.8: $2249
Nikon 14mm f/2.8: $1799

Canon 20mm f/2.8: $514
Nikon 20mm f/2.8: $569

Canon 24mm f/1.4: $1689
Nikon 24mm f/1.4 $2049

Canon 24mm f/2.8: $359
Nikon 24mm f/2.8: $394

Canon 28mm f/2.8:$259
Nikon 28mm f/2.8: $274

Canon 28 f/1.8: $509
Nikon 28 f/1.8: N/A

Canon 35mm f/1.4: $1479
Nikon 35mm f/1.4: $1669

Canon 35mm f/2: $379
Nikon 35mm f/2: $367

Canon 35mm f/1.8: N/A
Nikon 35mm f/1.8: $200

Canon 50mm f/1.8 MkII: $116
Nikon 50mm f/1.8: $219

Canon 50mm f/1.4: $426
Nikon 50mm f/1.4 (D/G): $349/$464

Canon 50mm f/1.2: $1619
Nikon 50mm f/1.2: N/A

Canon 85mm f/1.8: $409
Nikon 85mm f/1.8: $459

Canon 85mm f/1.4: N/A
Nikon 38mm f/1.4G: $1339

Canon 85mm f/1.2: $2099
Nikon 85mm f/1.4 AF-S: $1999

Canon 100mm f/2: $479
Nikon 105mm f/2: $1199

Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro: $574
Nikon 105mm f/2.8 Micro: Discontinued; @$450 used

Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro IS: $999
Nikon 105mm f/2.8 Micro VR: $934

Canon 135mm f/2: $1035
Nikon 135mm f/2: $1199


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Jul 08, 2011 23:36 |  #12

Snydremark wrote in post #12728001 (external link)
Ok...this WAS going to be a short response, but it's turned into an interesting comparison...:p Mostly looks to be a draw

Yep - the story was different a couple of years ago.

Canon 24-70 f/2.8: $1429
Nikon 24-70 f/2.8: $1849

When Canon updates the 24-70 RSN, expect the price to rise to match Nikon's, especially if it has IS.

Canon 17-40 f/4: $848
Nikon 16-35 f/4 VR: $1149

The VR introduces a bit of apples/oranges to this comparison.

Canon 200-400 f/4 w/1.4x TC built in: Stated to be released; no projected price yet
Nikon 200-400 f/4 VRII: $7399

Wow, I thought the latter was in the $5600 range.

Canon 50mm f/1.8 MkII: $116
Nikon 50mm f/1.8: $219

That's the new G model? It's AF-s, I think, though not blazingly fast, so that could be a factor.

Canon 85mm f/1.8: $409
Nikon 85mm f/1.8: $459

The Nikon here is older and clunkier for sure.

Canon 135mm f/2: $1035
Nikon 135mm f/2: $1199

The Nikon 135 is one of the things that gives me pause when I consider jumping camps (not that I have a 135L, mind you). The thing is like 20 years old with the goofy DC that maybe someone likes, but I'm confident that I'd constantly bump it and screw up my shots. I believe the focusing and sharpness don't measure up either -- if one can actually find a copy to buy. I wonder where you saw it for $1199, as I usually see it at $1350-$1600. Rumors are that the old steampunk Nikon 135 DC is going to be officially discontinued RSN and not replaced, in favor of a pricier 105mm f/2.


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Jul 08, 2011 23:46 |  #13

Yeah, really was an interesting exercise...All prices were pulled off of Amazon, but not all were offered BY Amazon. Just looked for best prices on each one. And you're right, that the VR on a couple of them is 'kind' of apples/oranges...but otherwise, those would have been apples/nothing else. :p


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Jul 08, 2011 23:51 |  #14

I'm sure many people, especially working pros when choose their system have a lot more other aspects to consider than pricing alone. Sure maybe its a factor, but its a factor that can be "justified", I'm sure you have read about people switching their entire system.

I for one, did not choose Canon because they are "cheaper", I'm aware that lenses are at those price range and that's about it. In my opinion, if OP is going to spend more time shooting using the system he likes, it is indeed, justifiable.


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Jul 08, 2011 23:59 |  #15

Granted, price alone, isn't necessarily the only deciding factor at that level; but, I was also checking my earlier assertion (which gets parroted quite frequently in these discussions) that Nikon was lacking in offerings on fixed, large aperture lenses compared to Canon. Turns out, that on average, the two manufacturers are close enough to swing either direction in both categories <shrug> They each have a couple of strengths/weaknesses the other doesn't, but I think you'd have to have incredibly specific needs for one or the other to be "wrong".

So, yes...long-winded way of agreeing with your final assertion, there, Nicholas :)


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