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Oct 20, 2005 02:53 |  #16

I could be labelled one of those sarcastic types, but generally pretty nice. :p

I wasn't really understanding the "inline" photos, and now after your comment, Jake, and the edited version, can see what the other point of this post may be. :)

But if that were the case, I know there's been enough dispute about editing other shots?
I don't mind comments on how I could possibly improve them, but don't like people taking my images, and giving them their own view. Of course, that's why I only put images in Photo Sharing. That way, you only get a few critique comments, when the whole point of the post, was to share your view of a landscape/bird/person etc you saw.


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Oct 20, 2005 03:06 as a reply to  @ post 858470 |  #17

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Im mean no disrespect but does anyone understand his post? Or are we too quick to type away in the quick reply box and hit 'post quick reply'. So many posts here go pear shaped because people don't slow down and read the original post, if you don't understand, ask for clarification. Some of the reponses here are almost rude, rather than helpful and informative.

The way I see it (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the original poster is not contemplating the lack of 'photo sharing', he is referring to the lack of images used as examples. As unique beings we all respond to different forms of explaination. For a visual learner a picture from each stage during a process, or a simple screenshot will help much more than text.

I understood that perfectly and accordingly asked him to start posting examples. I had no intention of being rude, but when someone wants things to be presented differently, they should act on it. I am sure he has plenty to teach the newbies here and I hope he does.


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Oct 20, 2005 03:07 |  #18

hahaha opps, you'll hate me for doing a quick edit of one of your waterfall shots.....

Was just trying to help explain....can't win around here, will take it down :o

Sorry Maureen, I wasn't witch hunting everyone with the first post either, just my outspoken opinion getting away from me again...




  
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Oct 20, 2005 03:12 as a reply to  @ JakeC's post |  #19

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Sorry Maureen, I wasn't witch hunting everyone with the first post either, just my outspoken opinion getting away from me again...

I re-worded my first post so I sounded a little more like what I meant to say.... sometimes the brain works differently than my fingers on the keyboard.:p


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Oct 20, 2005 03:13 as a reply to  @ JakeC's post |  #20

JakeC wrote:
hahaha opps, you'll hate me for doing a quick edit of one of your waterfall shots.....

Was just trying to help explain....can't win around here, will take it down :o

Sorry Maureen, I wasn't witch hunting everyone with the first post either, just my outspoken opinion getting away from me again...

If you've read my quick reply, I don't mind mate. I enjoy your work, and you're obviously a great Photoshopper. :)
You've taught me something, so it's all good.


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Oct 20, 2005 05:31 |  #21

I'm with Bob. Photos can help illustrate some concepts, sure, but words usually work quite well. Also many people use this forum from work, and won't have easy access to their collection of photos, their gear, or the software they need to help illustrate points.


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Oct 20, 2005 06:35 as a reply to  @ post 858091 |  #22

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I disagree. That's for sharing my and critique isn't it?

What about "a single picture is worth a thousand words"?

Question is; do you find it annoying to have embedded photos as appropriate and do you really like the text heavy format, or would you like to see more point-illustrating shots?

I just get the feeling sometimes that this is more chat-room (which I find tiresome at times) and less photo-forum (which conversely I find more lively).

Is it an effort thing? (lots of members here have several thousand posts) or is it by design?

I think most people here find it quite exceptional. I you want something different then I'm sure it's out there.

As far as "so few pics," there have been numerous recent postings about how much traffic this forum generates. It is not intended to be a gallery only (which seems to be what you are wanting) but a forum for those who want to learn to become better photographers.

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Oct 20, 2005 06:49 as a reply to  @ kenyc's post |  #23

I don't find anything wrong with the way things are going on here right now. Sure we have to prompt posters sometimes to get us the photo and exif but perhaps they thought that it could be answered without it. If one's real purpose of being here is to view photographs, there are plenty in the share sections.


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Oct 20, 2005 07:35 as a reply to  @ ssim's post |  #24

The internet in general and forum sites in particular offer people the opportunity to express themselves and air their views to the world.

I spend time and energy on this site because it provides some interesting questions and answers. As on any site, things shake down to a core group who set the 'flavor' for the overall intent of the site. I do try to respond to questions and offer my opinion to subjects where I have first hand knowledge only.
I also participate in other forums for the same reasons.

I am not in the least interested in having my images critiqued - Two reasons. (1) My customers do that very well by either buying or not buying my work. (2) I shoot for my own satisfaction, if others agree, so much the better.

I use this forum as an 'information exchange' locale rather than a 'showcase'. However, I realize that there are individuals who for a wide variety of reasons, have a need to display certain pieces of work.

It is obvious that no single site can supply everyones wants/needs (particularly in this field) so I give and take here what I can - and ignore the parts that I have no need for. A simple philosophy that works for me.

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Oct 20, 2005 11:07 as a reply to  @ post 858470 |  #25

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Im mean no disrespect but does anyone understand his post? Or are we too quick to type away in the quick reply box and hit 'post quick reply'. So many posts here go pear shaped because people don't slow down and read the original post, if you don't understand, ask for clarification. Some of the reponses here are almost rude, rather than helpful and informative.

The way I see it (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the original poster is not contemplating the lack of 'photo sharing', he is referring to the lack of images used as examples. As unique beings we all respond to different forms of explaination. For a visual learner a picture from each stage during a process, or a simple screenshot will help much more than text.

Thank you Jake. I have not taken the slightest offense to any remark here, but am finding them surprising.

By "Inline Photo" I ment a photo to help illustrate, and even make, a point. Much like we see in every photography book.

In fact; if shopping for a photography book, I would;

1. Put back any book without enough quality examples;
2. Judge the author's ability by the quality of his/her examples.
3. Find one with well placed examples far more instructive and easy to grasp.

In other words; words by themselves do not always cut it.

I would think that, when imparting specific photography technique advice, one would want to be as clear and to the point as possible.

Brevity usually helps clarity, but on complex points, why not replace a painfully painted mental image?

Bandwidth? Isn't that what its there for?

Lastly; many threads do have inline photos. I'm just wondering why not more? Aaaaand; I do agree that actual sharing, for sharing's sake, is best placed in the sharing section.


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Oct 20, 2005 11:12 as a reply to  @ NBEast's post |  #26

I take your point, but I have to confess it's not a problem that I've noticed. Could you share some examples where you think the point was lost because of the lack of visuals?


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Oct 20, 2005 11:25 |  #27
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This is not a photo site. These are photography FORUMS which forums are places for discussion. Discussions govern most of what happens on here, not photo sharing.


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Oct 20, 2005 12:27 as a reply to  @ Big_B's post |  #28

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I take your point, but I have to confess it's not a problem that I've noticed. Could you share some examples where you think the point was lost because of the lack of visuals?

Thank you. In 10 minutes of glancing thru recent threads, to my surprise I couldn't find one. I'll need to spend more time searching as I distinctly recall saying to myself recently "errrrrr, why is everyone just talking and not showing".

Also; as soon as I start pointing fingers, I'm sure to start a religious battle with feeling hurt. I'll look later for an obvious offender, but for now let me start by showing the positive from those 10 minutes of looking:

I thought this thread was greatly improved by a pretty in-line shot rather than just a link - it just adds color!
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=106493

What has surprised me is the postings in adament defense of this as "NOT A PHOTO, BUT A PHOTOGRAPHY" site. As if to say "Stop showing your $@#% photos outside of the specified section"! Not representative of everyone, I just find it surprising that more people on this forum - of all forums - don't embrase it more as a valuable asset to communication - and don't find the added color more desirable.:)


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Oct 20, 2005 13:06 as a reply to  @ NBEast's post |  #29

Anyone see the Cary Grant movie (or was it Rock Hudson) where he's a fishing "expert". Worked in sports section of fancy NY department store. Wrote 3 top books on the subject.

One day, invited to participate in big fishing contest, turns out he had never fished, just a good listener and picked up tips from customers over the years.

Somehow this thread brings that to mind. Not sure why since most avid posters here have great galleries and amazing photo contributions.

As Big Ben pointed out, its not a major lacking, I just noticed that there's a lot more talk than showing so wondered about it. I have felt reluctant to err on the side of posting too many photos than more and that seems to be shared by the regulars. I see now that it wasn't just imagination albiet not shared by everyone.


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Oct 20, 2005 13:11 as a reply to  @ NBEast's post |  #30

NBEast wrote:
As Big Ben pointed out, its not a major lacking, I just noticed that there's a lot more talk than showing so wondered about it.

There's the issue of finding the shot you may have to illustrate someone else's problem, or a solution for it, the issue of finding a shot that actually illustrates a solution to the originally-posed question rather than a good shot that has some tenuous connection to the question, and the issue of knowing the answer from accumulated experience but not having any specific shots directly related to that question. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but if it's the wrong picture, it's just so much hot air.


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