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Jul 15, 2011 12:20 |  #1

Hi all,

I currently have an XSi with the following lenses:

55-250
Nifty 50
18-55

I'm happy with the nifty and the 55-250 but I don't love the 18-55. I'm looking for something that can provide better color and contrast to my photos, not to mention better AF and sharpness. Honestly, the direction I'd like to move in is sticking to prime lenses -- I don't care all that much for zooms on the wide end. I've walked around with my kit set to 24mm, 28mm, and 35mm at different times and I rarely felt the need to be any wider, so I don't think I'd miss the <24mm range very much.

I'm looking for something that I will be using for landscape shots for an upcoming Yellowstone trip as well as my primary walk-around lens. I know the Sigma 30 is highly regarded but I'd like, if possible, to stick to a Canon EF lens. I know there is a 24mm 2.8, 28mm 1.8, and I believe a 35mm 2 available. What might you suggest for these purposes that will provide me with better color quality and sharpness than I am getting with the kit lens at those respective focal lengths?




  
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Jul 16, 2011 06:01 |  #2

Well, if it has to be a Canon EF, then you've pretty much covered the field with the exception of the 24L and 35L. There's also be the TS-E 24.

Also, what's your budget? I'm guessing not huge.

(Secretly, I just had to think of something to write as an excuse to give your thread a bump - 17 hours with no answer to a fairly sensible question isn't good enough! C'mon POTNers!




  
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Jul 16, 2011 06:43 |  #3

I don't think any of the primes you've mentioned here will be significantly better than the 18-55IS in shooting landscapes... where you'll be shooting at smaller apertures than wide open, and where AF is not essential. The 28, 30, 35 and 24 are all better wide open of course, but that's not where you'd "typically" be using them for landscapes. The nifty50 is better and you have that FL covered too so as far as I can see (pun intended) you're all set for Yellowstone... where I've spend many a camping trip...enjoy...


My Canon kit 450D/s90; Canon lenses 18-55 IS, 70-210/3.5-4.5....Nikon kit: D610; 28-105/3.5-4.5, 75-300/4.5-5.6 AF, 50/1.8D Nikkors, Tamron 80-210; MF Nikkors: 50/2K, 50/1.4 AI-S, 50/1.8 SeriesE, 60/2.8 Micro Nikkor (AF locked), 85mm/1.8K-AI, 105/2.5 AIS/P.C, 135/2.8K/Q.C, 180/2.8 ED, 200/4Q/AIS, 300/4.5H-AI, ++ Tamron 70-210/3.8-4, Vivitar/Kiron 28/2, ser.1 70-210/3.5, ser.1 28-90; Vivitar/Komine and Samyang 28/2.8; 35mm Nikon F/FM/FE2, Rebel 2K...HTC RE UWA camera

  
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Jul 16, 2011 06:51 as a reply to  @ kitacanon's post |  #4

landscapes you need UWA

try the 10-22canon




  
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Jul 16, 2011 08:22 |  #5

The Shooter wrote in post #12767691 (external link)
landscapes you need UWA

try the 10-22canon

That would be a good addition (though not upgrade) to the 18-55 if you like UWA lenses for landscape...UWA FL has special unique qualities that isn't everyone's cup of tea for landscapes...I'd recommend borrowing/renting an UW and seeing if it is the kind of perspective you're looking for...


My Canon kit 450D/s90; Canon lenses 18-55 IS, 70-210/3.5-4.5....Nikon kit: D610; 28-105/3.5-4.5, 75-300/4.5-5.6 AF, 50/1.8D Nikkors, Tamron 80-210; MF Nikkors: 50/2K, 50/1.4 AI-S, 50/1.8 SeriesE, 60/2.8 Micro Nikkor (AF locked), 85mm/1.8K-AI, 105/2.5 AIS/P.C, 135/2.8K/Q.C, 180/2.8 ED, 200/4Q/AIS, 300/4.5H-AI, ++ Tamron 70-210/3.8-4, Vivitar/Kiron 28/2, ser.1 70-210/3.5, ser.1 28-90; Vivitar/Komine and Samyang 28/2.8; 35mm Nikon F/FM/FE2, Rebel 2K...HTC RE UWA camera

  
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Jul 16, 2011 08:46 |  #6

If you had an uwa you would be covered. If you don't like the 18-55 don't use it. Get an uwa and use your 50 as midrange. Look, I've never had anything wider than equiv 28mm with large format and medium format. I did have a 24mm on my 35mm rebel but hated the distortion and one couldn't correct it in film. I recently bought the 12-24 Tokina and love it. Just remember, you've got to have an interesting foreground with an uwa. if no interesting foreground ,use your 50. Personally I don't think the 18-55 is all that bad. Remember to stop down to f8 and increase contrast in post processing (I have to also with my 50 and 12-24). After you have an uwa you can get a decent lens to replace your kit lens and sell your 50. Personally I think the kit lens focuses fairly fast. I doubt say a Tamron 17-50 would be any better.




  
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Jul 16, 2011 09:18 |  #7

ktownhero wrote in post #12763442 (external link)
Hi all,

I currently have an XSi with the following lenses:

55-250
Nifty 50
18-55

I'm happy with the nifty and the 55-250 but I don't love the 18-55. I'm looking for something that can provide better color and contrast to my photos, not to mention better AF and sharpness. Honestly, the direction I'd like to move in is sticking to prime lenses -- I don't care all that much for zooms on the wide end. I've walked around with my kit set to 24mm, 28mm, and 35mm at different times and I rarely felt the need to be any wider, so I don't think I'd miss the <24mm range very much.

I'm looking for something that I will be using for landscape shots for an upcoming Yellowstone trip as well as my primary walk-around lens. I know the Sigma 30 is highly regarded but I'd like, if possible, to stick to a Canon EF lens. I know there is a 24mm 2.8, 28mm 1.8, and I believe a 35mm 2 available. What might you suggest for these purposes that will provide me with better color quality and sharpness than I am getting with the kit lens at those respective focal lengths?

Yellowstone -- You will need to learn to bracket your exposures if you want excellent landscapes, and one very long lens as a rental, min 100-400 zoom.

I think you have a couple of very good choices for upgrading your wider end. 17-40L f/4 or 16-35L f/2.8

Because you will tend to shoot at f/8 or f/11 for the typical landscape in that range, a prime could only help you with corner sharpness, and then only a bit, so a zoom gives more flexibility.

Finally, do not forget that you can shoot great landscapes in the 100 to 400 range, too. Very different perspective, in particular for sunrise/sunset.


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Jul 16, 2011 09:46 as a reply to  @ kitacanon's post |  #8

I don't think any of the primes you've mentioned here will be significantly better than the 18-55IS in shooting landscapes... where you'll be shooting at smaller apertures than wide open, and where AF is not essential. The 28, 30, 35 and 24 are all better wide open of course, but that's not where you'd "typically" be using them for landscapes. The nifty50 is better and you have that FL covered too so as far as I can see (pun intended) you're all set for Yellowstone... where I've spend many a camping trip...enjoy...

He mentioned he will use his prime as a walkaround lens, and also for yellowstone. Prime may not be useful for yellowstone, but the OP can't go wrong with getting something like a normal prime as walkaround lens.

landscapes you need UWA

try the 10-22canon

No you don't need UWA for landscape. Sure it will be nice to have, but he doesn't need to drop $900 on the 10-22 just to take landscape shots. His 18-55mm has it covered, some extra creativity using the kit lens will result in far better picture than the UWA.

Get an uwa and use your 50 as midrange.

His 50mm is telephoto, not a midrange. Getting a UWA will leave the critical normal focal length uncovered. Unless you are in a particular specialty of photography that shoots wide (real estate, etc) or tele (sports, wildlife, etc), given limited budget, it's a good idea to upgrade your lens covering the normal focal length first. If you very often shoot something that requires UWA, then it's a whole different story.

Yellowstone -- You will need to learn to bracket your exposures if you want excellent landscapes

There is no indication that the OP doesn't know how to bracket exposures. No sure why people on internet forum always seem to have the burning desire to belittle others by saying something like this. This is not to mention that, bracketing maybe your way of taking landscape pictures, it has never been universally accepted as either necessary or sufficient to produce "excellent" landscape.




  
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Jul 16, 2011 09:51 |  #9

The Shooter wrote in post #12767691 (external link)
landscapes you need UWA

try the 10-22canon

ABSOLUTELY NOT! The UWA is a nice lens for landscapes but, is a specific tool. Most UWA landscapes I see posted are boring, boring, boring.

The UWA is a good tool for landscapes mainly when there is a significantly interesting subject (such as a rock or a plant) in the foreground to add depth.

If you use a UWA lens only to get extended left to right coverage, you normally end up with a lot of uninteresting sky and foreground. It does take quite a bit of skill to effectively use UWA lenses for landscape use. However, skillfully used, the UWA images are sometimes very artistic and interesting.

However for left to right coverage, I suggest shooting with a longer focal length lens as a pano. Here is a great illustration of the difference in a shot using a wide lens and covering the same left to right field as a pano with a longer focal length...

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Longer focal length lenses can also be used for single image landscape shots. This is just one example of a shot which, IMO, would have been terrible if I used a UWA lens. However with my 70-200mm f/4L IS lens, it is quite nice. With the the longer focal length I was able to select a portion of the scene and compress distances...

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Jul 16, 2011 10:18 as a reply to  @ RPCrowe's post |  #10

if you dont want to spend a ton of money on the 10-22 you could look at a Tamron 10-24
its a canon EF mount as i recall too. so it would work on a FF i think (dont take my word for it though).

I have the same lenses as you but added a 100-400L. i feel that i have a pretty good setup for a beginner but wish i had a higher quality 18-55. maybe a 17-40?



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Jul 16, 2011 10:31 |  #11

The Shooter wrote in post #12767691 (external link)
landscapes you need UWA

No, you don't.

I like the 35mm over the 28mm for color and sharpness, but the 28mm is better on focus speed and accuracy.


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Jul 16, 2011 10:34 |  #12

Mark-B wrote in post #12768361 (external link)
No, you don't.

I like the 35mm over the 28mm for color and sharpness, but the 28mm is better on focus speed and accuracy.

I wouldnt consider 28 or 35 UWA though. just saying.



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Jul 16, 2011 11:05 |  #13

jhayesvw wrote in post #12768375 (external link)
I wouldnt consider 28 or 35 UWA though. just saying.

Nowhere did he indicate that he thinks 28 or 35 is UWA.




  
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Jul 16, 2011 11:21 |  #14

When I said that UWA wasn't everyone's cuppatea for landscape I din't xpect such negative responses...it can be useful, but it takes some practice to not "waste" the frame with boring space...

I do agree that one shouldn't forget to use teles for some effective landscape shooting.

On the DX sensor, 50mm is a "short"-tele, which is what I suspect was the intended meaning of "medium"...30-35mm is "normal" for DX bodies...


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Jul 16, 2011 11:29 as a reply to  @ dumbttt's post |  #15

I'm looking for something that I will be using for landscape shots for an upcoming Yellowstone trip as well as my primary walk-around lens. I know the Sigma 30 is highly regarded but I'd like, if possible, to stick to a Canon EF lens. I know there is a 24mm 2.8, 28mm 1.8, and I believe a 35mm 2 available. What might you suggest for these purposes that will provide me with better color quality and sharpness than I am getting with the kit lens at those respective focal lengths?

What exactly are you asking? Go to Canon's website and see what primes they have available, then pick the one that suits your needs.

I personally would never call any prime "a walk-around lens", but that's because when I "walk around" I have no idea what I'd be shooting - could be a portrait of someone, could be a landscape, could be a group shot, architecture, etc.


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