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Aug 04, 2011 23:18 |  #16
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Really, that's the tax law where you live?

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Is just that he can't be caught, that's all. Not that he isn't going get taxed.


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Aug 05, 2011 02:06 |  #17

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I am not a photographer for a Living but I have the kit and I know what I am doing.

Then take photos for yourself, have fun and go home after event. Why do you feel you need to sell photos? Just because you think you know what you are doing? It's definitely not because you want to earn some money to pay off your equipment, because with those ridiculous prices you won't pay off even electricity needed to edit those photos on computer.
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Aug 06, 2011 13:58 |  #18

fergus123 wrote in post #12878679 (external link)
anyway I have all of the parents on my side and they understand the story. I am just doing everyone a favor!!
As for taxes, there shouldn't be any need because it is a 100% private event on private grounds and I am dealing in cash.

(i added to bottom of this post to clear up the US to UK thing)

yes the parents are going to take your side they will always do that so they can pay less, think for a second what type of event your at and how much it costs to participate

and regarding tax's YOU DO HAVE TO PAY THEM, it dose not matter if its a private event and its only cash, what it comes down to is this - if you have a sales tax in your state you have to collect and pay that,
and then for every dollar you make you must pay about %35 of that to the state and federal government

SO if your taking 3 photos and selling them for $10 and the cost to you for that would be about $1 (rounding up depending on where you print and how you package)
you made $9 from that 1/3 goes to tax's so now you made $6 per package,
now take into count the cost of: your time, travel , equipment wear, liability insurance (you do have insurance dont you), editing time, electricity cost, camera wear, clothing, food and drink, cost of hosting to sell photos,

i actually think your making a loss by now, but its ok your just trying to make a few people happy, not pay tax's and sell some under priced photos to people that at a horse riding event obviously have the money to spend

(SORRY I SEE YOU LIVEIN THE THE UK and being that i was born there i can tell you all the same things apply - just swap the word federal and state for goverment and the % are about the same - EXCEPT the % for sales tax is 17.5% and must be included in the price (not added after as in the US) so you aleady lose $1.50 from the top SO you are only getting $4.50 per packet )


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Aug 06, 2011 14:46 |  #19

The tax situation over here is that VAT (Sales tax to our American cousins) is only charged by businesses when they exceed a certain turnover (currently around $120K PA). Up until that point a small company does not have to charge VAT but cannot reclaim the tax on any purchases it makes. VAT is now 20% BTW - not 17.5%. Another drain on our pockets caused by your sub-prime mortgages :)

As he is operating as a "self employed" person for the purposes of this event Fergus should record his sales and expenses and declare the difference (Sales - Costs) as self employed income on his end of year tax return.

Depending on the amount of his other income he will then have to pay either 20% or 40% of his profit in tax. Either that or he can just forget to declare the income and nobody will (probably) be the wiser.

Working as his is however he is very unlikely to have any form of liability insurance and if he causes an accident or injures someone at the event then he is totally and royally screwed.

It would be the lack of insurance that worries me more than his defrauding the tax office out of £100 or so.


  
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Aug 06, 2011 14:50 |  #20

Actually, from reading this thread I find that many people have made certain assumptions :

1 - The OP has never stated that he has an Exclusive Agreement to cover this event.
2 - Even though the other photographer has been asked to be there by a parent it does not mean that the other photographer is shooting solely for that parent.

One thing hasn't been stated and that is if the other photographer regularly shoots for this club - it is unclear to me if you are stepping into her regular gig or if this is a one-off for both of you.


  
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Aug 06, 2011 14:58 |  #21

fergus123 wrote in post #12878679 (external link)
As for taxes, there shouldn't be any need because it is a 100% private event on private grounds and I am dealing in cash.

My guess is you know more about photography than you do about tax law :rolleyes:


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Aug 06, 2011 15:04 |  #22

wow 20% i havent been home in 5 year so honest mistake,

the only point im trying to make in all this is the OP is saying she is being unprofessional in the way she in handling - that being said it looks like he shouldn't be selling anything to start with


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Aug 06, 2011 15:05 |  #23

We only have one side of the story here, I would love to hear it first hand from the other side :-)

Why on earth did you add the Book Worthy smilie to you OP?


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Aug 06, 2011 17:52 |  #24

LONDON808 wrote in post #12888304 (external link)
wow 20% i havent been home in 5 year so honest mistake,

the only point im trying to make in all this is the OP is saying she is being unprofessional in the way she in handling - that being said it looks like he shouldn't be selling anything to start with

Agree with you 100%


  
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Aug 06, 2011 18:48 |  #25

While I think it was probably handled wrongly by the pro photog, I can understand the frustration. When a pro who pays tax, licensing, insurance, etc. is undercut by someone who by passes all of the legalities simply because it's not their main job or they don't understand that by charging, they are now entering into the business realm, it can be frustrating. How can a pro (who pays taxes, licensing, insurance and has a studio with all of the associated bills) ever hope to compete with someone who chooses to ignore the tax code, local business laws, has no business location and over looks basic liability insurance?




  
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Aug 13, 2011 06:52 |  #26

what i didn't say is that i was asked to photograph the event before the other photographer. I dont give a **** if i under cut her. any way here is her website, http://www.everybodysm​ile.biz …ice/ponyclubcam​p2011.html (external link)

I would like to point out that i do not need to pay tax in the uk or have sales tax because I am under the threshold and i am dealing with cash. I had every right to sell my pictures and I made over £300 pounds and only about 5 people bought pictures off her!!!


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Aug 13, 2011 07:18 |  #27

fergus123 wrote in post #12927506 (external link)
what i didn't say is that i was asked to photograph the event before the other photographer. I dont give a **** if i under cut her. any way here is her website, http://www.everybodysm​ile.biz …ice/ponyclubcam​p2011.html (external link)

I would like to point out that i do not need to pay tax in the uk or have sales tax because I am under the threshold and i am dealing with cash. I had every right to sell my pictures and I made over £300 pounds and only about 5 people bought pictures off her!!!

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What threshold are you on about?

I guess that this is a sideline for you and that you either have a day job or are student or are unemployed claiming benefit.

I'd like to see some of your shots - any chance of a link?


  
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Aug 13, 2011 07:33 |  #28

fergus123 wrote in post #12927506 (external link)
what i didn't say is that i was asked to photograph the event before the other photographer. I dont give a **** if i under cut her. any way here is her website, http://www.everybodysm​ile.biz …ice/ponyclubcam​p2011.html (external link)

I would like to point out that i do not need to pay tax in the uk or have sales tax because I am under the threshold and i am dealing with cash. I had every right to sell my pictures and I made over £300 pounds and only about 5 people bought pictures off her!!!


Result for me

You will have to declare those earnings, if you were to be 100% legal, you will also need to take out, if you have any shred of integrity a public liability insurance if you intend to carry on doing this.


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Aug 14, 2011 06:09 |  #29

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What threshold are you on about?

I guess that this is a sideline for you and that you either have a day job or are student or are unemployed claiming benefit.

I'd like to see some of your shots - any chance of a link?



I am still in University,

www.ferghk.tk (external link) here is a link


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Aug 14, 2011 19:00 |  #30

Thanks for the link - some decent shots there.

What r u studying @ uni BTW?


  
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