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Aug 05, 2011 21:12 |  #1

I want a good flash for my newly(used) aquired 5Dc body. I want a flash that is as good and reliable as the Canon 580 EX II but without the same price tag.


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Aug 05, 2011 21:20 |  #2

this might help
http://speedlights.net …yn-560-vs-canon-580ex-ii/ (external link)


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Aug 05, 2011 22:48 |  #3

There are three flashes I can think of that have similar features to the 580EX II. They all will do wireless ETTL.

$500 Canon 580EX II http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …2_Speedlite_580​EX_II.html (external link)

$400 Metz 58 http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …ecablitz_58_AF_​2_TTL.html (external link)

$350 Nissin Di866 http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_Di866_Mark_II_​Flash.html (external link)

$255 Sigma 610 Super http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …EF610_DG_Super_​Flash.html (external link)


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Aug 05, 2011 23:02 |  #4

msowsun wrote in post #12885572 (external link)
There are three flashes I can think of that have similar features to the 580EX II. They all will do wireless ETTL.

$500 Canon 580EX II http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …2_Speedlite_580​EX_II.html (external link)

$400 Metz 58 http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …ecablitz_58_AF_​2_TTL.html (external link)

$350 Nissin Di866 http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_Di866_Mark_II_​Flash.html (external link)

$255 Sigma 610 Super http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …EF610_DG_Super_​Flash.html (external link)

wow! thanks for all of that info. Sigma 610 looks tempting...


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Aug 05, 2011 23:05 |  #5

Good really good. Cheap enough!!! I don't need wireless feature. What's the catch here?


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Aug 05, 2011 23:46 |  #6

The catch is that the Yongnuo YN-560 is a manual only flash. It will not do ETTL.

Which features of the 580EX II do you actually want or need?

1) ETTL
2) wireless slave or master?
3)ETTL wireless?
4) external power plug
5) PC port connection
6) external auto flash sensor
7) custom functions
8) built-in white card
9) stroboscopic (MULTI) flash
10) Flash exposure bracketing (FEB)
11) Weather Sealing


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Aug 06, 2011 08:32 |  #7

Having E-TTL feature would be nice. For $60 flash you can't have it all. Then I notice there is a YN-468 with ETTL feature, but it is more comparable to Canon 430EX but costs more than YN-560 due to having ETTL feature. Finally, through searching around, i notice Canon has a flash called 320EX and has spot light; it looks like what i need for spot-picture taking of people in the dark area. I wonder if 320EX fully works with 5Dc body. Decision, Decision, Decision...


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Aug 06, 2011 18:14 |  #8

msowsun wrote in post #12885774 (external link)
The catch is that the Yongnuo YN-560 is a manual only flash. It will not do ETTL.

Which features of the 580EX II do you actually want or need?

1) ETTL
2) wireless slave or master?
3)ETTL wireless?
4) external power plug
5) PC port connection
6) external auto flash sensor
7) custom functions
8) built-in white card
9) stroboscopic (MULTI) flash
10) Flash exposure bracketing (FEB)
11) Weather Sealing

12 External Metering :)


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Aug 06, 2011 18:38 as a reply to  @ whiteflyer's post |  #9

what would someone loose by going with the sigma over the canon features wise?


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Aug 06, 2011 19:01 as a reply to  @ The Outlaw's post |  #10

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Aug 06, 2011 19:45 as a reply to  @ The Outlaw's post |  #11

i think it may be tme to get rid of the 430ex then lol


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Aug 06, 2011 21:38 |  #12

Just get a used 580ex, they're $250 or less and you more or less get all the features that the 580EX-II has.


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Aug 06, 2011 23:16 as a reply to  @ kalieaire's post |  #13

if its got the same features and power i'd rather have current model new with warranty than outdated model used with no warranty.


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Aug 06, 2011 23:23 |  #14

I want a car just like a ferarri, but priced like a Hyundai. There are alternative flashes available as listed above, but dont necessarily expect them to equal the 580exII.




  
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Aug 07, 2011 00:11 |  #15

That said, Outlaw, there's nothing wrong w/ no warranty, that's the whole point of the buy/sell marketplace classifieds section. :)

(back to the matter at hand and why I recommend the 580EX)
Keep in mind, most problems that you'll have with the 580ex, due to fantastic build quality, will be problems that an owner will subject it to. Meaning, if it breaks, it's probably your fault. (your fault meaning the person who bought it, not Outlaw)

Also, any breakages, flash tube, hotshoe foot, etc, is easily repairable. Replacing the tube is like 50 bucks (via Canon), changing the foot is ~18. You can even buy the hotshoe foot from Canon Parts services directly. I've broken a couple, but I'm relatively rough with my equipment. Though, I have to say, I've never blown a tube, and I use my flashes with a transistor pack.

It's been a few years now.

When someone is starting out, like what MrLA seems to be, he or she, generally, does not have 10-30k budgeted out for lighting alone, like some of us more established folks. And even if said n00b did, if they buy retail, they're quickly burning through that 10-30k and getting only 1/2 the stuff they could have potentially purchased by waiting and surfing the craigsbayforums.

I mean face it, for the $500 for a 580EX II, MrLA could have a two light setup and be much happier.

Since MrLA is using a 5D, the 580EX is a perfect flash paired with that generation of camera.


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