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Aug 17, 2011 13:06 |  #31

Xxx Stormy xxX wrote in post #12950124 (external link)
Do you still have the RAW files? What about correcting them in post to make them more consistent and then handing them the updated versions?

This is what I was thinking, but if you are uncomfortable editing the images yourself, send it to a retoucher. It may cost you a few hundred dollars, but it is better than giving the money back to the customer, and you will have a much better wedding. Happy people all around.


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Aug 17, 2011 15:10 as a reply to  @ Red Tie Photography's post |  #32

Thank you for the advice everyone. Actually I am a she not a he and stupidly my photobucket account was roughly the same name as my website so it was pretty easy to find me... The bride and groom have now since seen all the photos and have backtracked and said they are quite pleased with them. No, they weren't shot with a P&S. They were shot with a D200 and D3100 which I know are arguably equal to one.

what you described above is one reason why I don't share my site on this forum. People can be cruel.

Yes, I was kind of shocked by the level of vitriol here.

But since I am apparently a glutton for punishment, does anyone have advice for keeping people in focus when getting sparkler shots??? Especially when you aren't using a tripod.
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Aug 17, 2011 15:15 |  #33

I always use centre focus point and then recompose.


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Aug 17, 2011 15:15 |  #34

VIEVE wrote in post #12953052 (external link)
But since I am apparently a glutton for punishment, does anyone have advice for keeping people in focus when getting sparkler shots??? Especially when you aren't using a tripod.
Like this:

Well I can't see your EXIF but looks to me like you have room to dial your shutter speed up, for one thing. That way you get less ambient, more sparkler and your image will have less motion blur.

Also, the D3100 can bang out usable pictures at 3200 ISO (especially coupled with NR programs) so don't be afraid to take advantage of that!


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Aug 17, 2011 16:18 |  #35

VIEVE wrote in post #12953052 (external link)
But since I am apparently a glutton for punishment, does anyone have advice for keeping people in focus when getting sparkler shots??? Especially when you aren't using a tripod.

Hi, sorry you seem to have had a bad experience with an idiot sending stupid messages to your website. It is extremely rare that such things would happen with regular forum members, but non members can view the forums and there are plenty of jackasses using the internet.

Anyway, the issue with the shot you posted and your question. It isn't a focus issue it's a combination of camera shake and subject motion blur that has caused the softness, they are in all probability 'in focus'.

You need a longish shutter speed to record the travel of the sparkler (in this case a little under a second). A tripod will keep the camera steady and eliminate the camera shake that you get with handholding for a long period, but the subjects are still moving, with some parts moving more than others. Because the brides arm has moved considerably in that time, in order to draw the heart, it hasn't recorded at all below the elbow making her look like an amputee.

The solution is to use a flash, synched to the second shutter curtain so it fires at the end of the exposure, rather than the beginning (you can set that in the custom functions). Allow the shutter speed to control the ambient light exposure, then the flash fires at the end and effectively takes a frozen image of the couple as it records the scene in a very short period.

What you end up with is the sparkler trails recorded with the ambient (the flash will have no real effect on them) and the couple recorded with the flash, so no motion blur. Although there may be a touch of ghosting visible around them, particularly where the arms are moving, this can just add to the atmosphere and the motion of the shot.

The flash can overide the camera shake from not using a tripod too, if necessary, but expect a little more ghosting if you do that. Using a tripod will give a neater result.

You may need to practice a little just to figure out the balance between flash and ambient, but once you have the technique sorted it will become an easily applied part of your repertoire. If you want to read up more on the technique, and see other examples try googling "dragging the shutter" and that should tell you everything you need to know.

Hope this is what you were after.

Xxx Stormy xxX wrote in post #12953076 (external link)
Well I can't see your EXIF but looks to me like you have room to dial your shutter speed up, for one thing. That way you get less ambient, more sparkler and your image will have less motion blur.

The problem with using a faster shutter speed is the likelihood that the sparklers won't complete the image in time, you need to keep the shutter open long enough for the subjects to 'draw' the heart. That will always allow for motion blur of other parts of the subject too.




  
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Aug 17, 2011 16:36 |  #36

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The problem with using a faster shutter speed is the likelihood that the sparklers won't complete the image in time, you need to keep the shutter open long enough for the subjects to 'draw' the heart. That will always allow for motion blur of other parts of the subject too.

Ah yes, you're right I forgot about that!


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Aug 17, 2011 20:07 as a reply to  @ Xxx Stormy xxX's post |  #37

VIEVE wrote in post #12953052 (external link)
Thank you for the advice everyone. Actually I am a she not a he and stupidly my photobucket account was roughly the same name as my website so it was pretty easy to find me...

Yes, I was kind of shocked by the level of vitriol here.

Here or in the emails? Either way, that's quite unfortunate :(.

VIEVE wrote in post #12953052 (external link)
But since I am apparently a glutton for punishment, does anyone have advice for keeping people in focus when getting sparkler shots??? Especially when you aren't using a tripod.

I hate to be the one to say this, but this really does speak to your inexperience and why the photos may not have been very good. This isn't a focusing issue, it's a movement issue.

In a nutshell: both the people and the camera need to remain still. If you're nut using a tripod, find something steady. It may be a rock, a bench, a railing, or what-have-you. Set the camera on that, use a timer, and take the shot. If the people move excessively you really don't have
many options. The light from the sparklers should help somewhat in freezing them.


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Aug 22, 2011 22:07 |  #38

I havet read through all the responses but if they are that bent out of shape about it a possible solution could be throwing them in lightroom and adjusting the exposure where need be and providing a new dvd. Maybe three hours of work and they may calm down and commend you for the effort to please them. Then again I myself havent seen the samples as there is no more link or post with pics in it.

Just food for thought.


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