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Oct 26, 2005 04:31 |  #1

Hi - I got some good shots today, but I
d like a lesson in how you'd likely PP the image to add skin tone and make the pic better - maybe pop?

The file is downsized to 1000x1500 but otherwise as per RSE's output to Adobe Elements.

I tried boosting contrast but its too heavy handed.

So I am asking for the experienced shooters to have a go.... and answer "Whats a good novice workflow applicable here? "

Thx in advance. :cool:

Here's a thumbnail of the file and the link to the file.
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Oct 26, 2005 04:39 |  #2
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You could try saturating the greens




  
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Oct 26, 2005 11:23 |  #3

Have you tried a Layers> Adjustment Layer / Levels on it? Move the black slider up a bit.
The Layer tools come with a Layer Mask, the white square to the right. Click on it to get a double line, select a brush & gray/black color & paint on the pic. The dark color will mask (remove) the change from the pic. Darker = more. Black = all.
Looking at the layers palette in the 2nd example here may help:
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Oct 26, 2005 11:36 as a reply to  @ PhotosGuy's post |  #4

what do you think about this.(I'm at work on LCD, so hope it is not too bad)
quick adjustments:
Levels
Curves
Second Layer + Blur + overlay
USM
Contrast

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Oct 26, 2005 11:48 |  #5

I have two versions of this image.

These techniques I use are not really for beginners. If you want I could go through the processes, but for now I'll give a simple way to do this... it won't be exactly the same... but it will get close I think.

First version... go to image on the menu bar then to adjustments... and click auto levels. Then make a duplicate of the background layer and change it's blending mode from normal to hard light. This will look really loud and obnoxious. Back down the opacity to about 20% and it should look much more natural. Click the view off and on with this layer and see the differences. Flatten image in the layer menu and save. While this looks better, I think my advanced techinque does improve it further.

Second version... Follow the same process as the first... Then duplicate the background layer and set it to blending mode of overlay. Go to filters and blur and choose guassian blur at about a 2.5-3.0 radius. Then back the opacity down to where you like the effect. My version is at 38%. Flatten and save.


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Oct 26, 2005 11:54 |  #6

Only the surroundings were changed.


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Oct 26, 2005 16:14 as a reply to  @ PhotosGuy's post |  #7

When you edit an image like this, be careful of what you wish for.

It is very easy for a beginner to over-accent color, contrast, or sharpening. Then it looks a little fake. Early on, you might want to decide whether you really want to make the shot look totally accurate, which is kind of calm and soft, or whether you really want it to pop. Plus, don't take the opinion of your own eyes alone. Print up some "before" and "after" comparisons and present them to others, like family members who know the subject. Simply ask for their opinion of what is best.

Typically, you will hear that something is best if it is halfway between accurate and "pop".

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Oct 26, 2005 20:06 |  #8

Thx for the advice and demos so far. I tried desaturating the green a tad for a start. Hmm, started again and played with the adj layer and it worked nicely on RGB. More gentle than a contrast slider... Then another try set on the green only. All good methods as far as I can see but I'm hobbled a bit having the Elements version for sure. I must get the full PS. With that I could try the Velvia action too.

The advice re heavy handed is on the money too. When I get one right I can do the whole gallery. There are some 2 dozen keepers I plan to print 8x10 at this stage.

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edit - should mention that my model is Tia, DoB May 2003.


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Oct 26, 2005 22:26 as a reply to  @ Carzee's post |  #9

Why all the extended PS work for a RAW?
The photo is nice, but too cool, particularly skin tones are pale and flat. Just open the photo in Adobe Camera RAW, adjust the White Balance (blue-amber axis) up a 100-200K. That may do it. If it needs more, just add a tiny bit saturation in ACR converter, or move the green-magenta slider no more than few K left. Move the contrast a bit.

Then the work is done. Crop. Sharpen. Print. Other than sharpening, no PS work is best for a nice photo like this.

Do this is ACR since RSE is a nice program, but misses Canon White-Balance a lot. That's its current weakness. Maybe a few more versions and it will be more accurate.

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Oct 26, 2005 23:07 |  #10

please people - even when working on small res photos - take it easy on the USM, i'm a culprit for going overboard i know, i should take my own advice - but i see it too often. keep it subtle.

nice PP work other than that, some of them look fantastic!i really like the 2nd of forkballs


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Oct 26, 2005 23:20 |  #11

She is so cute
I hope you like this
level 10/1.25/245
a lite Velvia w/channel
USM 300/0.5/0
G Blur/Masked Gradient/Reveal subject with brush


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Oct 26, 2005 23:57 |  #12

Lostdoggy has got an ideal mix here, and I love it. This thread is a real help. I am going to try it all once the CS2 arrives. I think I'll use a crop the same as forkball used.

When I looked, the Adobe store site says the CS2 upgrade from Elements is a special price for a few weeks (USD149). Is there a better way?


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Oct 27, 2005 07:18 as a reply to  @ MattyB's post |  #13

Thanks Matty. One of the things I did was to go grab the original sized image from the link. :)

Carzee, I think you must see the way I do now. I cropped the image as I did because All that background above and around her really took eye time away from such a pretty little girl. :)

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please people - even when working on small res photos - take it easy on the USM, i'm a culprit for going overboard i know, i should take my own advice - but i see it too often. keep it subtle.

nice PP work other than that, some of them look fantastic!i really like the 2nd of forkballs


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Oct 27, 2005 08:02 as a reply to  @ JMHPhotography's post |  #14

I agree with Bob Gross on this one. This is a very delicate image that requires only minor adjustments and cropping. This is the kind of shot you should store away and reprocess every 6 months or so to judge the change in your attitude towards and skills in postprocessing.

My take is that the image is slightly overexposed and only needs minor levels adjustment to bring up the midtones. PS shadows/highlights adjustments would help with the highlights which are blown. The skin tones are wonderful. If the original shot were in RAW, 95% of the postprocessing work would be accomplished simply by adjusting the exposure.

Beautiful child!!


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Oct 27, 2005 08:14 |  #15

Thx Woody.
Tia was the flower girl at her Aunty's wedding last weekend. It was up at Townsville, so I couldn't attend (compares to NYC to Dallas distance). So I took these shots this week for Tia's mum, my eldest daughter:

Tia gallery without PP as yet http://www.pbase.com/p​ixelparker/tiaflowergi​rl (external link)

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