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Aug 25, 2011 23:50 |  #1

Hello,

I am looking into the purchase of an 85mm lens for my 5d2. Portrait and candids will be its primary use. I also will use it on a 50d for shooting indoor sports in some pretty poorly lit gyms. Please let me know what you think about the Sigma 85mm 1.4 DG EX HSM, Canon 85mm 1.2 II and the Canon 85mm 1.8 as they handle indoor sports/poor lighting/crop sensor.

I know the price differences and I know the other strengths/weaknesses of each len but I was hoping for some comparison input between the three as it relates to shooting indoor sports. Focus speed being the most important variable for me for sports.

Thanks for reading this and thanks for any constructive ideas you may have.

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Aug 25, 2011 23:58 |  #2

I have only had the 85 1.8 and I love it alot. Great value and just as fast a focusing lens as anything I have ever used. Its one you can count on when you need it for sure.




  
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Aug 26, 2011 00:01 |  #3

No experience with the other two, but the 85mm 1.8 excels with indoor sports. I know the 1.2 is slowere focusing for sure.


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Aug 26, 2011 00:16 |  #4

I've been using the 85 1.8 for volleyball and basketball and focus is lightning fast, no complaints at all from me. I'd get the 85 1.8 and save myself alot of cash unless the 2/3 stop advantage of the sigma is worth it to you. The 85L is the fastest lens, but has the slowest af of these 3.


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Aug 26, 2011 01:56 |  #5

I have and 85 1.2LII and an 85 1.8 , for sports the 1.2l is really to slow in focusing , but the 1.8 focuses very quickly and acurately , it has pretty good low light performance as well .




  
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Aug 26, 2011 02:35 |  #6

^ sports + 85L = fast enough? ...

enter newworld666 dog pics ... :D

i'm kidding newworld! :D


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Aug 26, 2011 03:52 |  #7

I'd say the 85 1.8.
The 85L doesn't focus quickly enough to keep up with any motion faster than a slow stride.
Sigma's 1.4 offering is nice and focuses fast enough, but you probably won't be shooting 1.4 for sports, as the thin DoF will result in a lot of missed shots. The few people I know who shoot sports and occasionally pack the Sigma 85 would stop it down to 1.8 or even 2.8 so that they could keep focus.

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The 85 1.8 I'd say is what you want. The focusing is absolutely superb.


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Aug 26, 2011 08:34 |  #8

Your best bet will be 85mm f/1.8 on the 50D for indoor sports. Standard HS gym lighting means f/2 aperture, 1/640 on the shutter and raise ISO until good exposure achieved. Be prepared to learn and use a noise reduction software as the 50D will produce pretty noisy shots with high ISO settings.

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Aug 26, 2011 08:38 |  #9

mike cabilangan wrote in post #13001993 (external link)
^ sports + 85L = fast enough? ...

enter newworld666 dog pics ... :D

i'm kidding newworld! :D

I was going to say samthing. Most here will say 85mm f1.8 but thay guys shows really nice pics from his 85L and according to him it is better than his 135L and 300L (f2.8 IS one not the f4).:D


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Aug 26, 2011 09:29 |  #10

asamimasa wrote in post #13002130 (external link)
I'd say the 85 1.8.
Sigma's 1.4 offering is nice and focuses fast enough, but you probably won't be shooting 1.4 for sports, as the thin DoF will result in a lot of missed shots. The few people I know who shoot sports and occasionally pack the Sigma 85 would stop it down to 1.8 or even 2.8 so that they could keep focus.

Sooooooo
The 85 1.8 I'd say is what you want. The focusing is absolutely superb.


50D, 85mm, and a subject 15 feet away, that DOF is thin, but 1.4 vs 1.8 vs 2.0 vs 2.8 doesn't make all that much of a difference!
1.4 = .5 ft
1.8 = .6 ft
2.0 - .7 ft
2.8 = 1 foot

If you double the distance (30 feet), the DOF is 4X those numbers... for most sports, indoor or outdoor, unless that sport is darts, you'll be at least 15+ feet away from your subject, and that subject isn't likely to remain that close to you.
The DOF argument is a weak one for this scenario

I haven't had the opportunity to shoot hockey with the Sig85 yet, but that's coming. I always step down as much as I can while still maintaining fast enough shutter speed to stop the action. If the light is bad enough that I need wide open, then 1.4 is better than 1.8

One of the biggest bargains in the Canon lineup is the 85mm 1.8. Light, bright, fast, and very very affordable.
It's great for indoor, outdoor and outerspace (or so I'm told)
If you need to let in a bit more light, and not sacrifice too much in AF speed, the Sig85 is the next step up.

The Canon 1.2L Mark II is pretty good in AF as well - the real issue is once it loses focus, the hunt from 1 end to the other is very slow (relative to just about anything else). I've used it for hockey a few times, and there's no issue with tracking/following a player in any direction. If you decide to switch which player you're focused on, acquiring the next one might be slow if the lens needs to hunt through the whole range, but once you have the player, you're ok.


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Aug 26, 2011 14:53 |  #11

mike cabilangan wrote in post #13001993 (external link)
^ sports + 85L = fast enough? ...

enter newworld666 dog pics ... :D

i'm kidding newworld! :D

..... ;)


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Aug 26, 2011 15:09 as a reply to  @ SMP_Homer's post |  #12

I have already put them in many threads ... but 85L1.2II has no difficulties to focus instantly and track any subject in real life (assuming you shot action/sport further than 3 meters) . But users have got major difficulties to keep tracking on the right part of the subject with ultra thin DOF ..

I was thinking for my daughter to buy a Sigma 85F1.4 !!! but ther is nearly no action sport pictures in the dedicated thread .. or out of focus !!

https://photography-on-the.net …ead.php?t=88665​1&page=241

Daytime 135L 300L and 85L are similar !! .. in low light situations, only 85L can focus accurately with APSH and APSC .. with full frame for same subject size DOF is thinner so it makes more tricky for the user to keep point and track the subject.

I have put tons of 85L sport samples days or night outdoor or indoor (with ultra bad light)

https://photography-on-the.net …p=12467748&post​count=9913

I never used 85F1.8 .. It can be an alternative not for AF bokeh colours sharpness . but for price :lol:


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Aug 26, 2011 15:23 |  #13

I would not trade-even my 1.8 for a 1.2 .


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Aug 26, 2011 15:37 |  #14

SMP_Homer wrote in post #13003123 (external link)
50D, 85mm, and a subject 15 feet away, that DOF is thin, but 1.4 vs 1.8 vs 2.0 vs 2.8 doesn't make all that much of a difference!
1.4 = .5 ft
1.8 = .6 ft
2.0 - .7 ft
2.8 = 1 foot

If you double the distance (30 feet), the DOF is 4X those numbers... for most sports, indoor or outdoor, unless that sport is darts, you'll be at least 15+ feet away from your subject, and that subject isn't likely to remain that close to you.
The DOF argument is a weak one for this scenario

Yeah, I thought about this too. It somewhat depends how close OP plans on shooting. If he has access right up there, DoF becomes more important. If shooting from the stands, focusing speed wouldn't be as much of an issue.
Also it depends what sports are being shot. Hockey, or basketball, for example, would probably be more demanding than something like tennis, where the players don't shift in distance as much in a short period of time.


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Aug 26, 2011 15:52 |  #15

asamimasa wrote in post #13002130 (external link)
I'd say the 85 1.8.
The 85L doesn't focus quickly enough to keep up with any motion faster than a slow stride.
Sigma's 1.4 offering is nice and focuses fast enough, but you probably won't be shooting 1.4 for sports, as the thin DoF will result in a lot of missed shots. The few people I know who shoot sports and occasionally pack the Sigma 85 would stop it down to 1.8 or even 2.8 so that they could keep focus.

Sooooooo
The 85 1.8 I'd say is what you want. The focusing is absolutely superb.

Focusing is always done wide open !!! ;) it won't help anything regarding focus to close @f2.8 ..
Just it can compensate users errors and lack of skill to keep tracking subjects !!!
85L can track anything .. at least I shoot 4 to 5 times faster subjects than usain bolt or michael jordan (Last week end I had a 2 days race job and I use 24L+85L+300L2.8 ... 10000 shots 70% in focus and framed, others mainly by user error => not lenses or bodies !!!)

.. some samples night and day
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